Thursday, April 05, 2007

dont?go east

( DON”T? ) GO EAST YOUG MAN
Remember the movie with John Candy, Wagons East I believe it was. A wagon train doesn’t like what they see out west so they go the opposite direction of everyone else and head back East. In part it highlights the fear of the unknown. Of a yearning for civilization. Back East is where the action is. Most of the population is there. Most of the rainfall and fertile land. Most of the industry. Outside of the West coast and certain retirement areas the west offers little more than it did over a hundred years ago, mining and cattle ranching. I was born and raised here and it feels natural to me, but in a petroleum starved future it is going to be a tough place to make a living.
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I am not saying that the east is necessarily bad. Just that I don’t care for it personally as I have an irrational fear of crowds. Not to the point of paralysis, but the fear of being trampled by a faceless mob is always there. I have never been to a music concert, never been to a sporting event. I won’t even go to a large movie theatre anymore, they must be small and not too crowded. I avoid crowds whenever I can. I’ll even walk around a cluster of people if I can. And that is why I don’t want to live back east. I lived in Florida. The Daytona metro area of les than two hundred thousand. But there was enough green areas to divide the city into small units, giving a feeling of a smaller city or large town. I don’t think I would do it again however. As I get older and wiser and more aware of all the hazards out there I grow to like people less.
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So I tend to write from a Western standpoint. Not dealing with humidity in food storage. Large caliber weapons instead of carbines. Water scarcity. Food storage to make up for lack of food growing areas ( I think two tons of wheat is a good idea, someone with a medium size garden would only want one years worth for a seasonal crop failure ). You get the idea. But for those growing up on the east coast or in the South, it would seem like a strange idea to move to the West. I am strange in that I like the desert. Most normal folks want trees and green growth around them.
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So there is nothing wrong with living and prepping for the East or South. If you are familiar with the area it would be stupid to leave it. You should stay where you are familiar, even if it is less than optimal. With friends and family around and knowledge of the local terrain you are much better off than moving to a strange area even if it seems better from a survivalist standpoint. If you had years to prepare, it would be okay. But do we have years to leisurely learn a new locale? I don’t think so myself, but then I an pretty paranoid.
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Just beware that the eastern seaboard does present its own hazards ( besides natures ). While most of the lower 48 states has little significant oil reserves left, there is still a lot of coal left on the east coast. Thus it might become a source of conflict. Either the locales will be displaced or a lot of pollution will be generated when we start running out of oil and start stripping the coal reserves, despite what the Greens think. When it comes to the lights being left on even most environmentalists will vote for raping Mother Earth ( and that is even if their vote counts- most of the time anymore the politicians just do as they please anyway ). So beware that area. And there will be conflict over arable land and water ways. As agriculture becomes more local as petroleum becomes dear, we must take the farmland back from the suburbs. So beware house seizures. That is if you manage to keep your house through job loss and an economic depression. And as more small sources need to be dammed up to turn into hydro power, there will also be a fight over that. If river transport takes over more semi-trailer routes due to fuel shortages you will see a resurgence of river trade locations.
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In effect, the more people in a given area, the more conflict. But the East also has the ability to reconstruct the pre-petroleum way of life. Small scale farming is easy due to rainfall. Transportation can go back to rail or river. Perhaps, on a per capita basis the East can survive the coming of Peak Oil much easier than the West. The west will see a massive depopulation as there will no longer be mass water pumping from one region to another. We won’t have the energy inputs to make food grow in the desert. It will become a giant cattle range once again, outside of the fertile coastal region. Logging, ranging and mining will be pretty much all there is. So while the west might not be as massively populated as the east, it has far more population than it can support without oil.
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If you stay east or south, prepare for more conflict over available resources. But the recovery should be a lot easier. In the west expect abrupt violence as resources are fought over, then a mass depopulation. The numbers will then stay as low as the natural carrying capacity of the land. A few areas, such as coal or metal mining will be traded with by rail and will survive off of imported food, as will cattle gathering hubs. Expect live cattle to be shipped again and Chicago to process them again to feed the east. Cities evolved to take advantage of natural resources. They should reprise their historical roles. If your area lives off of government activity, or social Security checks or pumped water, expect to become a ghost town. Learn what your area used to do to feed itself and expect to do that again. Go back before oil was a way of life.
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So, where you stay is a gamble, a toss up. The east is not as bad as some of us write about, and the west is not necessarily a total safe haven. Both have their good and bad points.
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9 comments:

Sawbuck in Virginia said...

Having been born and raised in Bakersfield, CA, lived in the Willamette Valley of Oregon for 13 years, and resided in the Washington, DC suburbs for about 4 years I can tell you there is huge difference culturally between the West and East.

There is MUCH to be said for knowing your home ground - I know my childhood haunts like the back of my hand, but I am sure there are tract houses on all of the wild places from my youth.

When I moved from California to Oregon I thought I was in heaven as the city I lived in felt like the town I grew up in socially. I could go from city center to rolling farm land in 10 minutes!

When I moved from Oregon to Virginia, I went from a state of 3 million population to a Metro Area of 6 million - and I hate it here because Jim and I share a distaste for (and in my case distrust of) crowds. I am looking forward to the next jump and having some open space and fewer (but more neighborly) neighbors.

There is no question that certain parts of the US are better suited to population carrying capacity than others. John Wesley Powell was confident that there could be no independent settlement or farming once across the 100th Meridian. But we found ways to move water, irrigate the arid West and the population boom followed.

Parts of Vermont and Maine are as wild and beautiful as any place I have ever been - and I am more comfortable with the rural folks of the East and West and in between than I am city dwellers who complain when their coffee is burnt at the Starbucks down the block and who think meat comes from the grocery store.

Assuming a truly total economic and/or societal breakdown due to peak oil, or a nuclear attack or any number of other scenarios the fact is that widespread famine will result from any number of causes – and a massive die-off will result. Which is why Jim’s food storage advice is taken to heart at my place.

Assuming further that you survive that slow motion calamity a good portion of the United States will be comfortable for settlement, and have sufficient population carrying capacity – including the desert West – but think FAR fewer people competing for existing resources.

I am a desert rat by birth and by nature – but I have gotten soft as I have aged, and look forward to fresh food from the garden in season, and tasty preserved food the rest of the year. And LOTS of trees to hide behind.

It isn’t merely a question of beans or bullets – As my late Mother used to say “Use your head for something besides a hat rack.” - It is both beans AND bullets and figuring out what resources need to go to which category in order to maximize YOUR chances in YOUR environment.

Anonymous said...

SWT WM:>) says, The truth is we will all probably have to survive where ever we are when tshtf. Jim, you are right about crowds in the east and about the coal. I live in a State that has both, but it also has some fairly rural areas, still. I'm gonna hunker down and try to get through it.

Anonymous said...

Jim,this is off topic but how about a survival topic like , how to survive infedelity in mariage, I just went through a hellish couple of weeks thinking my wife was a cheat, I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I was going nuts, then I found a checkmate semin test kit, it proved her inosent and gave me my life back, but I know that others have had simular fears, may-be you can give your wisdom here, like how to catch her or prove her inosent.

Ulises from CA said...

Sometimes, the accused is already convicted of adultery EVEN THOUGH he or she may indeed be INNOCENT. It's D--N near impossible to convince someone of the truth once she has made up her mind. That was my experience.

I don't know if you think you have the expertise to treat this subject, Jim, but it does bear mentioning that, as people return to their traditional gender roles, there will be many more locally occurring instances of "did she/did he" than there are today.

You can call it:
How to deal with a sociopathic mate.

Anonymous said...

Jim, PLEASE leave marriage counseling and psycotherapy to other blogs. Go ahead and rant about your ex's, etc. Stay with what you do--PLEASE! Got problems? Go see a shrink, priest, or whoever. Just my .02

Anonymous said...

I agree. What we want/ need is blunt, practical, no nonsense information and advice that we can use to have an edge.

That having been said, what about "interpersonal relationships"?. On one level, I suspect we will all be
too busy (and/or too tired) to bother.

On another level, there is an old saying : "them that has, gets". Polygamy? Polyandry? You got food?
Maybe you just proved your an Alpha
Male after all.

You could make an argument that single or divorced males in a survival community are a problem
waiting to happen. That would go
double (or triple) for young single
females.

If you get a chance, rent the movie
"Ravagers" with Richard Harris.
In it, a single female is welcomed
by a community, but is given a very
short time to choose a mate.Or she will be expelled.

Anonymous said...

Most "survivalists" are male. Chicks should smarten up and get with the program. An unprepared chick SHTF is one big victim just waiting for the first predator. Dumb dumb dumb.

No one suggests that they need to be uber-survivalist aka Sarah Conner of Terminator Fame but some common sense please.

FOr the price of a firearm and a full pantry she'd buy a helluva lot of peace of mind.

Anonymous said...

to bad for the moron that thought his wife was cheating ... perhaps he should look within and figure out why she would .. i know if i lived with a parinoid freek i wouldnt stay ... so jombo old buddy ole pal .. thanks for info on surviving the end of the world as we know it not personal pity parties .. sheeeeeeeesh

Anonymous said...

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1. Washington DC /and related bases (major command and control for the President)

2. Colorado Springs, CO (Cheyenne Mtn Control Center, 2 space command/comm bases)

3. Omaha, NE (secondary command and control bases)

4. Seattle, WA (Trident Missile Sub base and numerous Naval Bases)

5. Jacksonville FL/Kings Bay GA (Trident Missile Sub base, Major East Coast Naval Center)

6. San Diego, CA (largest west coast naval complex)

7. Norfolk, VA (major east coast naval complex)

8. Kansas City, MO (Whiteman AFB, B-2 nuclear bombers)

9. Cheyenne, WY (Warren AFB, Minute Man and Peacekeeper MX missiles)

10. Great Falls, MT (Malmstrom AFB --Minute Man missiles)

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