Monday, May 05, 2008

homestead or collapse pv

HOMESTEAD OR COLLAPSE PV
Photovoltaic power. Electricity from the sun. Solar panels. Great for either powering the homestead or keeping the lights on after Chinese food riots caused the ultra left wing Communist leaders to take power back, shut down the worlds only underwear manufacturing factory district, nuke Tibet and sell off all US Treasury bonds. But there are differences between the two types of power. The costs are different, the energy needed is different as is how that energy is used. Homestead power is different than collapse power. And, like survival blogs that have differing methods, they don’t get along together. It would be hard to take the equipment from one method to another.
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Homestead power is expensive. At a bare minimum, the home owner has lights and electrical equipment. He is selling pickled rhubarb on E-Bay to pay the bills and needs a computer and a Internet satellite connection. Even in a small trailer with only one light fixture, and using a laptop computer, you need at least 130 watts of generating power. A rating on a panel is for maximum laboratory optimal output. Expect less. The sun is at its brightest for only about four hours a day. You will have cloudy days. You need, at a minimum, the rated power use of your appliances for several hours use. If the florescent lamp is using twin bulbs rated at thirty watts, expect to need that much generating capacity. You could use half that and expect eight hours of charge to equal two hours of power, but factoring in lower performance and no sun might deliver less than that. Plus, in time the solar panel delivers less power, so by skimping at first you will find later you don’t have enough power. So, assuming this sounds reasonable, you need a lot of solar panels. Bare minimum, Bison type living needs at least $650 worth of panels. Now figure you need batteries for all that power. You only need light at night, and I would use a battery bank and an inverter to power my computer, not direct juice ( you might fry your machine with the fluctuating power ).
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It’s silly to buy car batteries for $45 when you can get the RV types for half again as much. Car batteries will die much quicker from charging and deep discharge ( you will forget you are on the Internet for too long as you are surfing ColumbianMuleMolesters web page ). But even buying at Wal-Mart the batteries won’t be cheap. Let’s say you buy a 80 amp battery. 120 watts divided by 12 volts equal 10 amps, so your battery is good for four hours a day use- four hours of computer in the day and four hours of light at night. Not eight hours, as you should try not to drain the battery more than half way. You figure two is better, just in case. Then you add two more for cloudy days. Now you are at $900. And this is just for a bright light and a computer with Web access. Add in the fact that used laptops are three or four times the cost of desktops for that added cost. You need to invest $1100 just to be connected to your business at the homestead.
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Even if you decide to go with LED’s and only a computer without the satellite ( you connect in town ) you will still need half of the above set up. Now, if you were living in a trailer in a park and you decided to buy a piece of junk land, it would seem like a bargain to go from paying $300 rent to putting that towards PV panels. In a few months of no extra cash outlay you would be set up with electrical generation. And, yes, the same cost could be applied to a small diesel generator and battery bank ( well, a bit more but not by much ) and you could get a lot more power. Enough for a fridge ( if using the modified freezer with wine gauge ) and a lot more lights, etc. But I assume you wish to factor in fuel shortage possibilities even if you are only homesteading. Living rough to live free. But we are also assuming you were not prepared to move and not really financially able to get so many panels. Either the economy tanks, or you just decide to escape. You can always do the second battery in the car deal for “free” electricity. If you are commuting. Now your up front costs are a lot less. Just a few extra batteries.
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Collapse PV power is a whole lot simpler. You need rechargeable batteries ( AA, AAA, D ) and their charger. A solar charger is only $25. The AA’s can charge in as little as four hours. The D’s might take two days, but then a lantern using them is good for four hundred hours of use on low power. You can use a smaller light that night and go several months between charges ( even medium power gives you two hundred hours of light ). Two solar chargers ( get more than one-they are plastic and you need redundancy anyway ) and a passel of different size batteries will not cost you much more than one RV battery. And you will see fifteen or twenty years of light with them, whereas a 12 volt battery is good for just a few years. Remember, on the small batteries, they are charge memory resistant, not memory proof. Fully discharge every time to prolong their life.
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Homestead power relies on a lot of expensive panels and/or short life batteries. It will not see you too far into doomsday. The batteries are the weak point. The crap being junk-yard mined and traded after a collapse will not last long as they will already have been used, and most likely car rather than RV types. The expense might be low if you car charge the battery, but still it won’t last long after Pep Boys is a hollow ruin. With LED’s rated at a decent battery drain life ( thirty hour use lights are very bright, but try for the less intense 80-100 hour ones ) and a few sets of each battery size plus the two solar chargers you have around two decades of light, after the grid lights go dark. A unit getting eighty hours of light per battery set will last twenty days at four hours use a night. The factory says these batteries are good for one thousand recharges, but let’s be paranoid and call it only 500. Even at twenty charges a year the batteries will most likely outlast the solar charger ( regular panels can go twenty to thirty years for the old school heavy units, I’m not sure what the little solar chargers use or how long they last ). For not much more than $100, you will enjoy electric light for as long as your charger lasts.
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Get your collapse PV setup first. It is a much better bargain. Then you can add your luxury PV generator. If there is still time.
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17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Another great post.

I'll be darn.


I'm sellig my encyclopedia brittanica and getting rid of my wife because all I needf is you to tell me how to live and survive ..

Thanks god he put you in this planet to tell every one how to survive..

Our species would have perish by now if it wasnt for you. "we are soooo lucky for having you.

now show this people how to multiply while they are having their finger stuck up their butts.

your great admirer.

Anonymous said...

Stock up on some unfilled golf cart batteries. The place that sells them here locally will also sell them to you new, dry and the acid separate.

Anonymous said...

i see you're still pretending that you're mogambo guru.

got your own writing style YET?

didn't think so.

Anonymous said...

Jim.

Dont pay attn. to this people, instead.: Keep your Communist propaganda high so they can take their well groomed families to the desert. Downgrade their status and mix we the lower class.( Low Lifers ). That way the low lfers can upgrade their kids by marrying the newly downgraders.

Its great to see that someone is doing something to bring this people down. Who do they think they are?????They walk with their noses up their butts, driving motor homes while this low lifer look at them with envy and their kids asre being psychologycalli damaged by their status. You sound soooo I mean sooo much like Carl Marx with your ideas. Youre becoming a legend in your own mind. Thats greeeeeat.

keep up yopur great Job.Some day youll be out of the dishwasing business.

Youre making history in this tiny blogspot.

Rawles is probably learning something here. and saying to himself wooooaaaa
What a guy!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jim.

Dont pay attn. to this people, instead.: Keep your Communist propaganda high so they can take their well groomed families to the desert. Downgrade their status and mix we the lower class.( Low Lifers ). That way the low lfers can upgrade their kids by marrying the newly downgraders.

Its great to see that someone is doing something to bring this people down. Who do they think they are?????They walk with their noses up their butts, driving motor homes while this low lifer look at them with envy and their kids asre being psychologycalli damaged by their status. You sound soooo I mean sooo much like Carl Marx with your ideas. Youre becoming a legend in your own mind. Thats greeeeeat.

keep up yopur great Job.Some day youll be out of the dishwasing business.

Youre making history in this tiny blogspot.

Rawles is probably learning something here. and saying to himself wooooaaaa
What a guy!!!!!

Anonymous said...

to Mr 7:50 am

I must come to defend Jim's writting style.

He is or sound as graduate of "FOLSOM STATE" for your knowledge.

Thats in California.

fallout11 said...

I miss the great rants and screeds you used to do, Jim.
Last year's posts were better.
What happened?

Mayberry said...
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Mayberry said...

Screw these people who try to put you down man. Interesting how they're mostly "anonymous", they don't have the cajones to let anyone know who they are. Maybe it's time you start moderating the comments to weed out these pieces of human crap, the ones who will waste away in the FEMA camps when TSHTF. You, Me, and the rest who are wise enough to prepare for the inevitable will then sit back and laugh as we smoke a cigar and sip on some home made wine.....

Anonymous said...

Mayberry:

The word is "cojones" not cajones.

And FEMA stands for FIND EVERY MEXICAN AVAILABLE, to do the work.

Anony

Anonymous said...

I don't know if Jim is on the net at all during the day, but if he were to zap these morons as soon as they posted they would soon tire of their childish posturing and go back to MySpace with the rest of the juveniles.

Anonymous said...

Jim

You seem to have picked up a few burrs on the way. I enjoy your posts greatly. You are by far the most humorous of the bloggers. It reminds me more of Patrick McManus than Magombo. I tend to lean more towards your thinking than Rawles, since it is more sustainable (ie 10,000 gallons of diesel stored).
As far a lighting goes, I have what you suggested and also have about 20 PV yard lights. They make great night lights. Also kerosene lamps can be useful. A large tank Dietz can keep the pumphouse from freezing, and they make one with a cook top. There are also round which lamps which put out a lot of light. Patience is also handy to have for a prepper. I looked around for about two years before I found a like new wood cookstove for $200. We prep with the basics using redundent sources. We heat with wood, yet have propane and electric installed. We can cook with electric, propane, or wood.
We can light with kerosene, batteries, electric, or candles.
We can freeze or can. No dehydrate yet. We have been buying old singer sewing machines (15 series is best). We have bunches of canned goods, yet starting gardening. It takes years to develop soil/skill.
Start now. Guns, the more the merrier, semi-auto, bolt, mil surplus, black powder, reloading, all good. Don't forget books. I like the old reference books on farming, home repair, and whatever floats your boat for fiction.
Keep up the good work, and pay no attention to the trolls.

Yippi I Kay A Mother... said...

Wow Jim!, some decent posts really bring out the A-hole trolls for some reason. Don't pay any mind to them and keep up your good work.

Seems if you post articles that require thinking it really throws them off.

Anyways, I try and get on the ColumbianMuleMolestors site but Boomer and is ilk are always hogging it. Any idea how I can spam the Hell out of them and get them to go to another molestor site?

Thanks in advance. tootles!

Together We Stand said...
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Together We Stand said...

Yippi has a point. The good posts seem to bring out the trolls in force. But that only means the posts are being read. Keep up the good work. Don't forget to check out www.twsorg.blogspot.com.

Anonymous said...

For maximum battery life on a solar bank (ie: charge and drain cycle of over night) you should not discharge the batteries more than 75-80% of their total cacpacity.

Yes that is a major downer because you will need more batteries up front but that type of charge cycle will improve their life by a year or three (depending on the temperature range they are kept in).

Also don't forget that wind power generators can compensate for the lack of solar power during the night, if your area has descent winds. A lot of places naturally have winds in the mornings and at night, especially valleys.

Anonymous said...

"A solar charger is only $25."

Where? Either I am a dolt or, it is just escaping me. I have looked on eBay but, a search for solar battery charger yields the up on the dash car battery type chargers.

Thanks