CIVIL SERVANTS
We have been having the proverbial heat wave here. Low 15 to 20 and high 30 to 40. With the sun out!!! I feel like Baby Jesus himself took pity on my suffering ( or at least got tired of my bitching ). So, in a fit of spring time type activity I decided to go down to the court house and find out the exact location of my parcel down the road. This weekend I can bike on down three miles and find out where the darn thing is, since I've paid over a grand on it already. Why wait until the last minute if I need to live there? To remind the trolls, I moved to Elko because I own a lot outright, but it is not a location I am able to commute to work everyday. So I bought another lot closer to town on payments. However, it is a seven year note, so I also bought another lot on payments that is only a three year note. That is the one I'm trying to find.
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This is where we come to the point of this post. When I moved to town I went to the same place and got a printout of area, to include the subdivision, the block and the lot. I was able to pace off by existing roads to where my lot was. Thus I didn't need to pay for it to be surveyed. I even paced it off from two directions to be 100% sure. My north side corners are not exact, but I don't plan on building near them so it is not an issue. It is close by a few feet. This time, I was not so lucky. No one would give me a printout, and I had to scribble notes as I was shown satellite photos with overlaying grids. This one is going to be a little bit harder to find because of that. Your random pick of a civil servant will determine if things turn out great or really suck. This was a benign encounter. But I've had exposure to judges and beat cops, and attitude, circumstances, and plain dumb luck determine how those turned out.
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In a way, it's good. If you live rural and get to know people it is some what a way of insuring things will go your way. But it is also scary, knowing how arbitrary things can be. This is all the time and wisdom I have today. Just let it be a reminder to treat public officials to a royal butt kissing. It feels dirty but it pays dividends.
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OK, short lesson. Your property description (the deed description of the boundry. Begining at a point, then following a line, etc, etc) is the legal description. Any map or picture is just a nice picture. Allways use the deed description as best as you can, the map or picture is of a very low reliability. Don't know if your specific area is in sections or in the older spanish land grants with metes and bounds in varyas (old spanish distance measure). Point is, you have to puzzle out the wordage to be right. Good luck
Delta Echo
Bison I'm a surveyor. I'm not licensed in Nevada, so I wouldn't be able to do anything for you requiring a fee, and there are certain tasks only a licensed surveyor can legally perform. But I certainly show you how to find your existing property corners. Delta Echo is on the right path, but don't make any mistake about maps. If you have a map stamped by a surveyor and recorded with the county, and your parcel is shown, you can trust it for your purposes, used in conjunction with the legal description. The problem with legals is finding the original starting point and following the courses. Usually it's not possible to do without knowledge of surveying procedures and equipment.
I'll send you an email through your bisonpress page, I'd be happy to help you.-Herters#204
I've just been online at the Elko Co. recorder's and assessor's websites, they have pretty good databases of public records. With just a little more info I could possibly find the info you need.
-Herters#204
Herters you are a good person.
Civil Servants, Usually they are neither civil nor servants.
Old fart
Screw public "officials"... I kiss no ass, and it's high time these bastards remember that they work for US!!!!!
Good luck on tracking things down, my man! Wishing you all the best!
hope you don't mind my menana's post stealing your (usual)closing demand.
I guess quoting would be better-- it links them to you so they can do as demanded. MAybe they buy your crap, land notes be paid faster, bribe city officials better...
Having been a former civil servant, I can tell you courtesy goes a long ways. The guy/girl working behind the counter/desk most likely is an underling not making a lot of money and is administrating a program which is a political football for which he/she almost always gets the blame for mistakes made by higher ups. Also, the tools given to the servant to help the public are often woefully inadequate.
The converse, of course, is also true. Civil Servants should "always" treat the public with courtesy. However, the public does not have a "right" to be assholes. If you want to be an asshole, you risk a call to security, and your request gets buried. Like Robert Burns said: "A man is a man for all that". That is, the civil servant is only human. How would you like to treated?
Like 8:01 and old fart said--
Mayberry--- them paper shufflers can put you in for a world of hurt and/or aggrevation w/o exposing themselves at all; and "oh- so very many" couldn't function at what I would call a real job at all. Their Body and minds are often all "a-kilter"--it actually can lead to preferential hiring. You can be irritating some genuine wack-a-doos. The lord and master in my area will go off on an aside tirade if someone pleasently explains that they are just doing what their lawyer told them to do, obstacles WILL be applied. IMO it is often counter common sense to me.
Lotsa times all they have to do to mess you over is "follow the book'; SOP; the manual etc etc.
I see it daily. You can be as right and rightous as you want but if ya tick 'em off-----Good luck.
Also---- 'most folks' can't distinguish between the true gov beauacrap and the "contract" guy/gal doing the actual job---while drawing clerk 1 prevailing wage at 10$ or so an hr. compared to the 60k on up to the stratosphere for the true gov employee.
While being treated like the peon by the true beauacrap they don't get-----
freebie parking or gym/sauna or daycare or bus passes or complete fed holidays off or "early off for travel safety" by presidential order prior to holidays or free use of the building clinic or--- etc etc...Things the federales entitle themselves to.
and yup, I saw that mosta what you are talking about is in land issues and refer to the state and locals. I can't talk with any authority at that level; i just am very pleasant to the DMV folks and usually get by. most are 'contract employees' anyway.
c57
LOL I'm not a civil servant- yet. I am applying for a job with a city, and if hired I will be one of those civil servants you like. At 47, I've been in the private sector my entire career and met more than my share of those civil servants people don't like. In particular, a number of years ago I had occasion to do research at the San Diego County Surveyor's Office. I was in there every day for a couple weeks, and there was one lady who seemed to be running the show as far as records. I know what I'm doing, so I didn't pose much of an inconvenience for her. She was sweet as hioney to me. But I saw her treat other people in ways that would get her fired from any private outfit . It was appalling. The good news is, without exception every other person I encountered who worked there was a solid professional as far as I could see. Things are tough in my area, I've been out of work for a month now and for a year before that it was very slow. I'll be happy as a clam to get a civil servant job!
-Herters#204
Follow up to my prior comments. I am not a surveyor, but was in a former life a crew chief/computer/topographer (and enviromental , construction engineer). Now I work as a Goverment contractor doing advanced aerospace voodoo. One of the more important skills in looking at property boundries is to really look at what is there, not what you want to be there. Most surveying is based on what physical markers you can find. Ignore where someone has mowed or cut brush, look at old fence posts, etc. Remember don't get in a argument with a idiot, they will do something stupid.
Take your old compass, and your pocket measureing tape, and a hand held GPS, but they are only gonna get you in the ball park
Delta Echo
If you were going to build it would be wise to pay a few bucks and make absolutely certain but for putting a trailer on the land it is probably not necessary. It is always good to know where your land is. I guess not knowing where some of your pieces of land are is an enviable problem to have.
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