FARM GRAB
Chaos and lawlessness brings misery and the end of trade. The end of trade brings death and an extreme low standard of living. So government is welcomed. It doesn't even matter if the former gangs become the new government. So what kind of government can we expect? My guess is close to a medieval type. You won't have knights on horses jousting or kings ruling from a throne, but you will have governance based on a local, decentralized, agrarian based economy. Land will be the coin of the realm. Land will be controlled by the rulers, as it is the remaining value. There will of course be other valuables such as the few remaining oil deposits pumped by old tech, salvaged metals, salt deposits, manufacturing centers, etc. But the collapse will be brutal enough that we see a repeat of post-Rome. No more centralized manufacturing, a breakdown in trade and a shortage of money. Land, and the food it grows, will be wealth, as it will be all that sustains life. Today we substitute oil for fertile land, and we fight for the oil. Tomorrow, we fight for the land itself, and the crops grown by hand organically. With a lack of trade and credit, precious metal will be the only form of payment. And as that is in short supply, food based barter and the ownership of land is the only way to own more wealth. You can't create more money, but you can steal more land. And you can't afford to pay your armies, but they can be given control of land. Land grants to retiring soldiers, land grants to your "knights" that can muster men at arms, land increased through royal marriage or war.
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Rome grew powerful by taking fertile land. It took in slaves through winning wars, who not only worked the lands but provided a surplus of energy to create a wealthy ruling class. It amassed such a surplus it could build public works that in turn increased its reach and power. Alas, it was surrounded by less ideal lands. Wet and cold northern Europe, African desert beyond the fertile coast, Islam in the east, etc. Once it conquered that ideal land its growth model started to contract. That was the start of the end. They survived nicely on their surplus for a time, but it was on the road to ruin. Just as we are with oil. Once the peak of production was hit, it was the beginning of the end. We are simply witnessing the fall. Without a surplus of energy, either fertile land in ideal climates ripe for conquest or petroleum to substitute for that, you can't have a rich society. You fall back to a substance economy, the land barely enough to feed you and factions fighting over those meager spoils. The Dark Ages were such a time. The depleted soils of old Rome, the less fertile northern land. They supported a population, but not well. By fighting for a surplus, one could just survive. This encouraged a militant society, spurned a continuing arms race and ultimately enabled these people to colonize the globe. But it was a nasty, mean environment to live in. A Darwin evolutionary petre dish. America is headed there. Our once deeply rich and fertile farmlands are depleted, our oil is running out and our treasury can barely pay for a hold on everyone elses oil. The remains will yield little and the huge population will suffer famine and war as the meager lands feed far less. And an armed and militant race will fight each other for that surplus that allows one tribe to survive at the expense of the other.
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This is why I hold such low expectations for farmers in the future. You will be occupying the only wealth left. You won't be allowed to keep it. Gardening is a great way to insure yourself during the collapse phase, it will supply needed foods. If you minimize salad crops and maximize calorie crops such as corn and potatoes it will be a very productive enterprise. Long term, however, the large homestead self sufficient in food is in danger of being "nationalized". A word to the wise.
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The above post is an excerpt from my book in progress, "Life After The Collapse". So, yes, I cheated today. The book is from one half to one third completed. So far I have 20k words, or almost forty pages of dense scribblings. In comparison, "The Frugal Survivalist" was 42k. I'm not sure if I'll wait to publish when completed or offer it in several parts. I picked today's example thinking about long term plans being thwarted, a sure path to insanity as all your efforts can always be "war gamed" away. Then I read China saw 100,000 ( could that be a misprint? ) factories close last year and they need 15 million new jobs a year just to keep up with population growth. I felt better for expecting the worse after that.
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Friday, January 16, 2009
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kwik editorial note:
"...farmers in the future. You will be occupying the only wealth left. You won't be allowed to keep it. Gardening is a great way to insure yourself during the collapse phase,..."
If you're not going to be allowed to keep it, is there a reason to plant on it? or am I missing a link, such as "they'll allow you to remain on it, but not own it" type of situation?
Otherwise, coming along well. 40 pages +/- and we're just now getting a taste? WAAAAAA... (kidding)
Keep it up, let's see what happens.
Shy
This is really good stuff! I'm glad you kept writing despite all the naysayers.
I particularly liked this sentence;
"Today we substitute oil for fertile land, and we fight for the oil."
-Amy
Nice post, look forward to the book
Where I live in a central northern teer state the soil is marginal to start with and has been improved(poluted and saturated) through the miracle of chemicals(oil) and Huge rotary irrigation pivots. If there is little or no oil then little or no miracle.
Lets not forget that Monsanto is out there trying to own every friekin' seed on earth.
How is that going to work after Atlas Shruggs?
Old Fart
Great!!!!!
I'll just wait to buy the book for TWENT FIVE CENTS a bag in the book sales.
After reading one or two pages I'll just tosse it to feed the fire or use it as a toilet paper after the collapse.
Great!!!!!
I'll just wait to buy the book for TWENT FIVE CENTS a bag in the book sales.
After reading one or two pages I'll just tosse it to feed the fire or use it as a toilet paper after the collapse.
jim - looking forward to the book, great style man. Jim, what you are saying is that there will be very few truy free people even after the collapse. I wonder more and more if a nomadic existance like the eskimo's or laplanders would be the only true form of freedom ? Even the amish (well equipped, more so than most for the collapse) will be bullied into servitude. Is the answer to move north ? alaska ?
I think the book will be a good read as well. I had never considered your point, but I think you are correct - I imagine land and (wait for it) WATER will become a hotly contested fight for control issue.
Water already has caused quite a few fights - ranchers 'n farmers, fighting over who gets the lion's share will likely boil over.
The answer?.................
Bullets, lots and lots of bullets
You will be the peasants or the rulers. NO MORE MIDDLE CLASS!
Pick now and prepare accordingly.
Good bit of writing, Jim! I, for one, would prefer to read the whole thing at once. But, that's just me.
Looks to me like wilderness living skills, combined with some stealth gardening, strategic caches and seasonal migration may be the only real ultra-long term plan. "Homesteading" IS good for the transitional phase, but, I'm not putting alot into it for the long term. My long term plans are as stated above.
Looking forward to the book!
Loneleo
goodness, who really cares about china and their problems, real or imaginary. regieme change ?
anybody watching all the great police victories in the mexican drug war ? i would imagine there's a lot of western countries that will turn into failed states long before china...
factory closings! maybe... doesn't that mean the shelves will be bare at Walmart sooner than later ?
so are we going to be roman slaves or medieval serfs ?
what's with the guns then ? are all the tough talking survivalists just going to turn their guns into the man, to avoid a situation ?
what no shoot-out in mayberry ?
obviously no serious gardeners out there..yeah! lots of people want food, but most people don't know how to pick crops or are too lazy.
a few neighbors will come steal some blueberries, maybe even peaches, but nobody ever steals green beans or brocolli.
i doubt you could find 1 in 1,000 people who have actually ever dug potatoes or would know what to do with them....
demented in nh
So if farmers are run off their land, who's going to plant them crops and milk those cows etc? Mutant zombie bikers or some stripey shirted paper pushing city boy? Yeah like that'll happen.
I can see it more as 'TheMan' sez: nomadic in our ways, but probably formed into 'bedouin' types of tribe/clan, for many.
As to who will farm the land? Obviously, those who decide it's easier to succumb than rebel or become nomadic.
Or, quite possibly, an "Poncho Villa" type of warfare.
Who's going to dig the potatoes? Umm, well, I've dug a few. Even rhutabegas and they're tougher to dig since the ground is usually frost a few inches down already. Lots of people are going to be clammoring for any kind of work that allows them a meal so they'll learn quickly to be neither lazy, unknowing, or hungry.
Shy
Off topic but I just finished watching Cherry 2000. Poor Skeet was just trying to make his way to Elko when he suffered an ill fate at the hands of Lester. Melanie Griffith made it out alive though. She was hot but age has not treated her well.
He advises readers to
Sell their semi autos weapons.
Don't plant a garden.
Don't burn fire wood.
Hunting or trapping for game is a waste of time.
Who is this guy? James m Dakin!
Let's do a survey who has the best blog?
1. Bison
2. Survivalist blog (Creekmore)
3. Survivalblog (Rawels)
Good post, except at the fall of Rome, Islam was not in the east and it won't show up for another 200 years, but still barbarians out there.
Survivalblog (Rawels)
To Anon. 9:57 A M
SURVIVAL BLOG. No question. Why?
I follow his advised long time ago, I have purchased a home and now have been collecting rents for several years.
I also purchase junk land and i been collecting property tax bills for several years ago. I have purchase these acreage long before bison came into the picture. Junk land has been the subject for many other authors.
Dont waste your time on junk land, Buy something that will give you profit on the long run, something that you can sell for a profit. Think like an entrepaunuer not like a loser, living in a trailer.
I tried both, do something productive, dont wait for something that may never, never will come.
Dont get HOOK into the blogs, do something productive with your life.
Dont glorify assholes telling you how to live in missery. Rawles expect you to progess not regress.
Follow his advise. Its hard but youll make $$$$$ !!
Signed.
Just another poor millionare.
To Anon. 9:57 A M
SURVIVAL BLOG. No question. Why?
I follow his advised long time ago, I have purchased a home and now have been collecting rents for several years.
I also purchase junk land and i been collecting property tax bills for several years ago. I have purchase these acreage long before bison came into the picture. Junk land has been the subject for many other authors.
Dont waste your time on junk land, Buy something that will give you profit on the long run, something that you can sell for a profit. Think like an entrepaunuer not like a loser, living in a trailer.
I tried both, do something productive, dont wait for something that may never, never will come.
Dont get HOOK into the blogs, do something productive with your life.
Dont glorify assholes telling you how to live in missery. Rawles expect you to progess not regress.
Follow his advise. Its hard but youll make $$$$$ !!
Signed.
Just another poor millionare.
I must agree Survivalblog all the way. I read Bison for a laugh, most of the time at him and not with him. Creekmore is ok. if i hade to rate it would go like this;
1. Survivalblog
2. creekmore
3. bison
I want to be able to the whole book, not just bits and pieces. Sounds good so far!
As far as which blog I like best... that would have to be this one. Personality comes through in a blog (ok, I know the writer might be faking it, but he has to be consistent, if he is), and I think I'd like Dakin better than the other two. He gets me to thinking.
I don't read Creekmore very often anymore because he focused on guns too often when I used to read him.
Rawles has dropped some of his smugness, but his view of reality is not the same as mine. The people he wants to have around him come from the same groups who have screwed me over in the past, so I figure he either supports them or is willing to turn a blind eye to the schumer they pull--either way, I wouldn't want to be in his group over the long term (temporary alliance when the SHTF, maybe). As a veteran who has been interested in most of the subjects he talks about since the 1970's, most of what he says is nothing new. His collection (archives) is nice for the NUGs, but I don't have much use for it. I skim his blog for the occasional new bit of info someone else contributes.
Blogs: Only three? Let's expand a little bit. I don't really "follow" anyones blog. As far as compatible philosophies go...mine is more of a blend of SurvivalTopics,(#1),Code Name Insight,(#2) and Bison,(#3). I skim the rest for the ocaisional tid bit.
Loneleo
Seizing farmland? That failed in the former USSR and it most certainly failed in the fertile plains of former Rhodesia.
That's not saying that you (James) are spot on. TPTB will wake up and seize farm land. It happened on the series "Jericho". The locals were going to seize the crop. Personally I'd have put the crop to fire and to hell with them
Looking forward to the book Bison. To those who exress anything other than simple acknowledgement of the need to be prepared, I usually just say "look, you don't have to be a paranoid schizo to realize things can and do change for the worse in an amazingly short period of time- look at Katrina. Overnight, we saw the birth of a state of anarchy across a large portion of America- one which persisted for weeks or months. If you don't think it can happen to you, you're deluding yourself." -Herters#204
Well now.. This very interesting. I like your style!
Feel free to share more :)
Definitely Rawls's blog at the top of the heap. It has more useful kinda content each DAY than most other blogs have in a week!!!
"You can pick your nose & you can pick you friends! But you are
stuck with your relitives!"
i guess that sums up life you get some good hands and some shitty deals... some bitch and whine and complain about the other guy. other folk get out a shovel and deal with the $hit.
who do you think are happier and more productive in the long run ?
and now a question for 'Just another poor millionare'...what are you going to do when the state jacks up the property taxes this year and your tenents lose their job ? evict them ? i doubt it, that law is likely to change sooner rather than later ?
so when the furnace, water heater and toilets blow up and the tenents aren't paying rent, and your faced with health department fines for not fixing the mess, you'll be happy to have that vaction spot to go hide out...it's called hedging your bets.
your going to be shocked senseless how quick king obama, the rascals of DC, and the wizards of wall street renege on promises and hand working folk the bill for their next party...
I agree with a post collapse government situation.
I do not buy peak oil. I hold mineral rights (guess that makes me with all my preps and guns one of the Kings, should cache refinery equipment) and work in that industry. You will be long since buried before Texas even runs out of the stuff.
I will stick to preparing for economic, political, or natural (such as Yellowstone) catastrophes.
Irregardless of differences of belief, get gearing up folks.
Each blog has it's virtues and are not really comparable. However, I find myself hitting Bison first and more often than other blogs. The other blogs (Creekmore and Rawles) seem almost old hat: sort of traditional survivalist stuff. Bison often disgusts me and seems to get it completely wrong. However, he more often gets me thinking in ways I would not have come up with by myself. Rawles has an ideology, which itself may be something needed in a survival situation. Creekmore is great if not as prolific as Rawles. However, Bison is outrageous and non-ideological. He's willing to look at the doom situation in the "raw", without embellishment, without idealism. He also just strikes me as plain honest and revealing as he is a real person not pretending to be something he isn't. He shocks me in to understanding just how serious this all is. Plus, he really does have a great sense of humor.
Anony 7:13 P M.
My rentals are 8 industrial units. They will do all the repairs, any improvements I get to keep if permamently attached. They plug the toilet, they'll repair it. If not I have funds to do the job and deducted from the fund. I wont mess with residential units.
Anony 9:32 P M.
It seems that Creeckmore is a loser, he quit the blog once before and he open surv.news wich is nothin but a repeat of news and somebody else's writtings, full of ads to get you to buy something. his cd's sales, you can get them some other sites/ways and pay nothing. He's there for the money.
ON THE OTHER SIDE of the coin.
Code name insight, he ask for nothing. he publish godd articles. He is not a clown, He gets to the point. He doesnt go off subject. he stays focus.
Writting something irrevelant into the post makes you loose focus.
Well. I wont go into that, let the grouppies idolize the cheap guru's.
Poor millionare.
Creekmore is top dog in my book. I just wish he published everyday.
I would go with Creekmore. He seems to know what he is taking about, Dankin is wrong most of the time and jwr has everyone else to write his blog for him.
Anony 7:13 P M - Poor millionare.
I don't give a flying fuck if you think I am a looser. To each his own.
But you need to get your facts straight I don't publish the Survivalist News site http://www.survivalistnews.com/.
I'd rank it: Rawles, Creekmore, Dakin, in that order.
Rawles certainly cranks out the most useful info (he never skips a day--even weekends), he is level-headed, and he aint a foul-mouth.
-- Young Old Fart
Survival blog is useful but very commercialized. Jimmy boy is more entertaining as far as I am concerned.
The Farm Grab is an all too possible scenario because it's already happened.
Look @ South Africa under Mugabe. The gov't seized farms of successful white farmers, and the locals took that as their cue to start killing said "wealthy" white farmers. The remaining farmers quickly got wise, packed up and got the hell out of dodge. Now, as hunger ravages that country, Mugabe is trying to get the farmers to return because while it was okay when his peeps were killing the farmers, now they're beginning to eye HIM up because they're hungry, and too stupid to master agricultural production themselves.
Once again proving the smart and the strong can survive without the weak and the stupid, but not the other way around.
Uh, Brick, Mugabe is in Zimbabwe.
I actually like Bison best because it is the most entertaining. I like the "what if" scenarios. Creekmore is good, I can't afford Rawles survival, so why bother reading it?
At least 90% of America's population wouldn't know what a potato plant looked like if they tripped over it. Gardening takes knowledge and experience. There is more to it than planting a seed and hoping for the best.
Likely the farmers would be allowed to remain on their land, but would be controlled/enslaved by a military presence.
I plan on guerilla gardening; plant things all mixed together, not in rows of the same. Plant weird heirloom varieties that no one recognises. Quinoa, amaranth, yacon, oddly shaped cucumbers, weird color eggplants. Plant some edible wild plants too, to enhance the "weed patch" camoflage.
Not only will this confuse and avert human predators, it also averts insect and disease outbreaks.
Weird, heirloom varieties are also likely to be more resistant to mutant genes biotech(Monsanto) is creating.
"Bury your treasure, burn your crops, black water rising and it ain't gonna stop." -Clutch
The Guerilla Gardener
As recently as two years ago you did not have to choose between buying junk land in an arid climate and buying a nice productive farm and looking like a big fat sitting duck. I was able to find a nice small piece of land in the western ozark mts at a good price.
The land had recently been logged off and looked absolutely terrible. However, the fast growing hardwood seedlings and the native grasses suggest the soil is very productive. The soil test conducted by the local extension service confirms this.
Since the area is economically blighted, and most of the local ranches raise cattle, it does not have a reputation for growing row crops. Yet it gets over 40 inches of rain and has a 200 day growing season. I have a creek running through the place and the water level in my well is normally 40 ft in the dry season.
The area is very hilly, timbered and remote from any large cities. Few people would think of moving to the four states area (Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Kansas) in order to get away from people and the potential for an invading mass of unprepared humanity, but for those who live east of the Rockies and those with midwestern roots I suggest that you consider the area.
Hick Ind
interesting article. I would love to follow you on twitter. By the way, did any one hear that some chinese hacker had busted twitter yesterday again.
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