PEAK OIL UPDATE
Once again, there seems to be insufficient reader panic about Peak Oil. Its like you know you are going to die from old age, but you tell yourself since you don't know when it is going to happen there is no need to worry about it. I have to tell you, for your own good of course, that I don't like your attitude. Why don't I receive frantic e-mails, imploring me to give directions to Elko where the reader can buy land in the same subdivision I'm in and help me start a new Army Of Righteousness to smite the Yuppies, lawyers and politicians when famine stalks the land and our enemies are at their weakest? Because Peak Oil is already here. So you might want to rethink that whole lack of panic thing. And by the by, I see I've finely broken the multi-day thousand reader count mark. Welcome all new loyal minions. To get your official membership card and beanie propeller cap, you must buy all my crap at http://www.bisonpress.com/ ( offer subject to availability- as in, good luck it being available ).
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Far greater minds than mine have poured out countless pages of statistics trying to pound into your skull that Peak Oil is a reality. And don't give me that crap about the Y2K scare being bogus, so why not this. Y2K was a great sounding theory that we all fell for. Resource depletion is not a theory, it is a proven process. Hello!!!! Easter Island used to have trees. And, I might point out to you that those of us that did panic for Y2K bought our wheat for one third the current price, surplus firearms at half price, our ammunition at a fifth what it is now, our land was a lot cheaper, gold was 1/3 the price, silver a quarter of the price, propane one third, etc., etc., etc. Panicking early paid off very well for us.
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But, for you nervous Nellies that refuse to jump on board and exhibit full paranoia and mental unbalancing, here a few simple truths for you. The price of food has more than doubled in a few short years. A little bit of overpopulation in dry regions diverting irrigation water to subdivisions, a little bit of overpopulation everywhere, and a whole lot of diverting 30% of our corn crop to ethanol. Yes, ethanol is a election pay back to big money interests. But it is also us trying to head off decreasing oil imports. Mexican oil production is down over ten percent in one year, someone starts paying attention. It ain't you. But someone in charge of policy decided to take the cheap corn away from the Mexicans to replace that oil. As a result our food prices went up. Labor costs go down, steel goes down, oil goes down. But food keeps going up. You do the math. And try not to save worthless paper money saving up for freeze dried food. Buy wheat kernels now. And hurry.
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Next up is our Depression currently unfolding. But, wait, you bleat, full of self pity and unwilling to give up your climate controlled SUV with cell phone and DVD player, the Depression has nothing to do with Peak Oil. Our supplies are being drawn down slower with the halt of most economic activity. Well, news flash. The reason we had most of our economy in real estate and finances was because there wasn't enough oil to continue a manufacturing economy. We've been scaling that back for many decades. I would even contend that the slowly dipping per capita energy use is because of that, not conservation or increased efficiencies. When we reached our national Peak Oil we had to switch to a service economy. And that has run its course, feeding on itself and imploding.
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So, there you go. Two important effects of global Peak Oil ( hit on 2005 ) that happened right before your eyes as you denied it. Food being used for energy and the collapse of a pretend economy. Continue to ignore those warnings at your peril.
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p.s. to angry reader over loyal minion handle- it is an affectionate way of referring to my readers, mixed with my usual cynicism about teaching and "experts", so please relax.
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Ok so how the fufu do we find out about land in your trailer park to buy??? Tell us how. Heck I own other worthless land in El Paso and Deming so why wouldn't I want some more by you? (really tell us)
As far as the minion dude is concerned, some people need to get a reality check and stop being quite so self absorbed...or maybe a thicker skin
Old Fart
To some extent you can't blame people, there is an amount of brainwashing that blocks people from thinking critically and responding to thing appropriately (depression and mood altering drugs affect this?)
But I don't denial of peak oil, it's just common sense that a finite resource will run out eventually.
It seems to me that if someone takes exception to being refered to as " loyal minion"...that person is taking thinks way too serious. The wrong things, that is!
But then again, being one of the Loyal Minions...what do I know?
Jim,
Excellent post. Nice way to tie it all together. Our own peak oil in the 70s led us more and more away from a manufacturing to a service economy. I did some minor prepping for Y2K. Y2K got me thinking, though, about just plain independence and sustainablity. Why should I work in a dead end job as a virtual slave (however well paid) insecure in that I could be fired for almost anything inspite of any promises given to me. How would I live without all the money draining and energy draining thinga-ma-jigs? Also, from Y2K,I learned, and still believe, our whole infrastructure is very vulnerable to weather, terrorists, government incompetence, well meaning neighbors, etc.
Heya Jim. I kinda touched on this yesterday myself, though I didn't say "peak oil" specifically... Great post as always!
"Loyal Minion"
"p.s. to angry reader over loyal minion handle- it is an affectionate way of referring to my readers, mixed with my usual cynicism about teaching and "experts", so please relax."
I accept that you didn't intend it to be an insult. Nonetheless now that you are aware of it's definition, to continue its use would be insulting. The fact is, when you call me a minion, you are implying that A) you are some kind of prince or other royalty and B) I'm your subject or underling. Neither of us fits either of those descriptions. I urge you to find another term of endearment, unless of course you really do consider yourself a prince, and think of your readers as your subjects. If that's the case, I want no part of it.
Those of you who really don't find it insulting, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. For my part, I come here looking for information, not to swear fealty to some cult of personality. Suit yourselves, and I genuinely wish you the best of everything.-Herters#204
Ok Anon 3:45,
I am thinking that your sense of humor has been irreparably damaged.
I am pretty sure if you can't get past the minion/royalty relationship Jim imagines on a daily basis then you will not appreciate his other fine works.
There are plenty of dull sources to find the information you desire, so why don't you skedaddle off in to the sunset and find one.
Familyman
Actually I do appreciate Bison. But I will move on, if it comes to that, rather than have someone repeatedly referring to me as a minion- either jokingly or otherwise. If you don't see the problems in the kind of relationship that such a term indicates, I won't bother trying to explain.
May as well be call his readers any other diminutive term.. Hey I know, let's call Bison's readers "cunts". Would that bother you?
Anyway, one "loyal cunt" to another, as far as peak oil goes, despite the reality ,or lack of reality, or liklihood, that it has happened, will happen, or could happen, the vast majority of people in America will never plan for it, or even believe in it, even as it begins to affect them. That's how people are.
So it turns out not all our minions are straight!
"Don't call me a minion" Puhleaze..lol!
On a completely different subject, couldn't you advertise that junk land as being close to a mining job? Aren't they hiring like crazy somewhere up there in NV, offering $60k to start?
Jeezus people, get over yerselves..... If you get miffed by being called a minion in jest, yer gonna have a REAL hard time in the future.... Get a sense of humor, and don't play the "victim" by taking things so personally... Y'all are 90% of what's wrong with this candy ass nation!
oh goody! i wanna be a 'bison cunt'!
so the oils 1/3 gone, the energy pig american culture is collapsing, and i'd rather walk than drive a SUV (actually it's still impossible to go for a walk around here with out some prozac sucking dick swinging soccer mom in her SUV playing chicken...)
all americans are raised to worship and serve the money-god (wage slavery). people think what the hear on TV because they're brain dead drug-alcohol soaked zombies.
people won't turn turn to the light because america is a land of darkness, hypocracy, and lies. it's too inconvient for them to accept there no better than other people. admit that their coffee and fruit comes from totalitarian plantations. admit their toys are built by slave labor in third world cess pools...
yep, america the great. the land of freeloaders and parasites...you shall reap what you have sown.
If you weren't a loyal minion you wouldn't keep coming back to this blog or be sending emails to Jim.
Learn to like it dude.
Global crude oil production peaked in 2008.
The media, governments, world leaders, and public should focus on this issue.
Global crude oil production had been rising briskly until 2004, then plateaued for four years. Because oil producers were extracting at maximum effort to profit from high oil prices, this plateau is a clear indication of Peak Oil.
Then in August and September of 2008 while oil prices were still very high, global crude oil production fell nearly one million barrels per day, clear evidence of Peak Oil (See Rembrandt Koppelaar, Editor of "Oil Watch Monthly," December 2008, page 1) http://www.peakoil.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/2008_december_oilwatch_monthly.pdf.
Peak Oil is now.
Credit for accurate Peak Oil predictions (within a few years) goes to the following (projected year for peak given in parentheses):
* Association for the Study of Peak Oil (2007)
* Rembrandt Koppelaar, Editor of “Oil Watch Monthly” (2008)
* Tony Eriksen, Oil stock analyst; Samuel Foucher, oil analyst; and Stuart Staniford, Physicist [Wikipedia Oil Megaprojects] (2008)
* Matthew Simmons, Energy investment banker, (2007)
* T. Boone Pickens, Oil and gas investor (2007)
* U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (2005)
* Kenneth S. Deffeyes, Princeton professor and retired shell geologist (2005)
* Sam Sam Bakhtiari, Retired Iranian National Oil Company geologist (2005)
* Chris Skrebowski, Editor of “Petroleum Review” (2010)
* Sadad Al Husseini, former head of production and exploration, Saudi Aramco (2008)
* Energy Watch Group in Germany (2006)
* Fredrik Robelius, Oil analyst and author of "Giant Oil Fields" (2008 to 2018)
Oil production will now begin to decline terminally.
Within a year or two, it is likely that oil prices will skyrocket as supply falls below demand. OPEC cuts could exacerbate the gap between supply and demand and drive prices even higher.
Independent studies indicate that global crude oil production will now decline from 74 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time, demand will increase. Oil supplies will be even tighter for the U.S. As oil producing nations consume more and more oil domestically they will export less and less. Because demand is high in China, India, the Middle East, and other oil producing nations, once global oil production begins to decline, demand will always be higher than supply. And since the U.S. represents one fourth of global oil demand, whatever oil we conserve will be consumed elsewhere. Thus, conservation in the U.S. will not slow oil depletion rates significantly.
Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. There is no plan nor capital for a so-called electric economy. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment. The independent scientists of the Energy Watch Group conclude in a 2007 report titled: “Peak Oil Could Trigger Meltdown of Society:”
"By 2020, and even more by 2030, global oil supply will be dramatically lower. This will create a supply gap which can hardly be closed by growing contributions from other fossil, nuclear or alternative energy sources in this time frame."
With increasing costs for gasoline and diesel, along with declining taxes and declining gasoline tax revenues, states and local governments will eventually have to cut staff and curtail highway maintenance. Eventually, gasoline stations will close, and state and local highway workers won’t be able to get to work. We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel and gasoline powered trucks for bridge maintenance, culvert cleaning to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, and roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, large transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables from great distances. With the highways out, there will be no food coming from far away, and without the power grid virtually nothing modern works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated building systems.
Documented here:
http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html
http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/
Where do I sign up for that loyal cunt thing?
OK if you don't mind being called Bison's loyal cunts, then I don't mind you being called that.
I'm off to do some research on Peak Oil. I've seen the term bandied about so much lately, and I thought I knew what it meant just taking it in context. But now I think maybe I'm not clear on the definition, so I'll go find out.
Those of you Bison-cunts who want to buy a lot near Bison, just go to the Elko County web page and search their public database. Bison can tell you the subdivision name, phase number, and his block & lot numbers if he wants to.
Even with that info, most of you (including Bison) probably won't be able to find it without help- and that's not a jab- their records are enshrined in a rather unique system. It is navigable, but not particularly intuitive.
Being the helplessly dependent minion-cunts that you are, I will help you if you ask.
(Ugh I don't know why you put up with that.)
Herters#204
Your royal hinas, for heating your place check out this on the rawles website
"How to Build an Inexpensive Forced Air Wood Burning Heater, by Marc S."
being that no smoke enters your trailer and the fire is out side it should be pretty safe, I would build it out of a couple of salvaged water heaters and JB weld. You could burn anything in it being that it is outside, it could be your trash burner, you could burn sage brush, even dried turd or waste oil cooking or car. No smpke should enter the top barrel either so you could add a door and a rack to the top compartment and use it as an oven bury it with the dirt from the whole you are digging and it would be supper insulated. Possably if you had the air tube placed so one end cam out close to the top and the other close to the bottom instead of side by side you might be able to get away without a blower being that it would suck in could air from the lower area of your house and push hot air out the top pipe, with that configuration you could possibly heat small amounts of water by purring it in the top pipe slowly and collecting it in your spray bottle as it drains out the bottom pipe. you would need a chisel, a hammer, lots of hack say blades and some JB weld. I bet you could put it togather for less then $50.
Peak oil. Ok, I'll buy that it's here and we have to deal with it. But, I don't buy that it's a catalyst for TSHTF. The US, and folks who emulate our lifestyle, are glutenous consumers of energy. As the price moves up, we will lower our consumption, effectively being a safety valve. There is a good video available on the net about the effect of Cuba losing 90% of it's oil, virtually overnight, and the effects it had on their lifestyle. There is a tremendous amount of demand that can be wrung out of they system without causing a collapse. We can make the move from fat pigs to thin pigs without going all they way to dead pigs.
Minion/cunt thing. I was ok with minion, even saw humor in it. But, now that I've hear of the possibility of a Bison Cunt, minion just doesn't do it anymore. Bison Cunt has such an air of exclusivity to it. There have been minions throughout the ages, but have there ever been Bison Cunts before, other than, ummm, the real thing that used to roam the prairies with Indians giving chase? Forever, your loyal Bison Cunt.
just another Loyal Minion expressing appreciation for another fine post,,funny tho, i don't feel degraded...peace
By the way are there different levels in the minion ranks, because I would like to be top tier if you don't mind.
Familyman
The highest-ranked minions are always those most useful to their master, and most servile. Usually this lasts until the master grows tired of the minion, or decides they're no longer of use to him, or until the minion is no longer servile. The minion is then cast aside.
Is Bison your master? Are you useful to him? Are you servile? If so, you might be an upper-tier minion, at least for now.
Well , I thing i must say is: that OLD FART SOUNDS LIKE A LOYAL CUN.
just take a close look the way he wrote his comment today.
Sounds very QUEER to me.
Old fart, you better start sounding male or you are going to give to us the wrong impression.
MACHO MAN
Anon 8:40
Number one royal cunt is VLAD. he takes the Honors of being cooksucker of the year 2008. He single handed suck all personal at bison. He took notes and publish them every month on the 1st.
Man, if some one knows HOW TO SUCK, that one is VLAD. He even pays for the privileged.
There is no one, again no one like him.
Congratulations, the honor is all yours Vlad.
We expect you to be number one in 2009.
And to the other anony, you are defenitily right. Jim thinks he's some type of royalty around here. I got your minin hanging right here Jim. Just dont bring the cock sucker of the year..
Grow up people
It was a little sophomoric Old Fart but I think we were just trying to get Herters to loosen up. Thanks for running with it bb, laughs have been far and few between lately. Signed- A once and forever loyal minion
LOL anon 9:16 is obvioulsy not a loyal and servile cunt, just a regular run-of-the-mill cunt. Definitely not minion material either. And thank you SanJac, I am fully lightened up.
BB - I checked out your blog, interesting stuff. I found something kind-of in the same vein, a new blog. This guy is just getting started, but I think you and he might find some common ground. Check out citydweller's survival blog, if you can find it. Sorry, I lost the link.
Regarding peak oil, will someone pelase run it by me again, how it leads to societal collapse? If i understand correctly (and I'm not sure I do) it means the point at which production reaches it highest outoput, then tapers. This isn't neccessarily due to natural supply running low, but to the concious choice of various powerful men. Please be aptient with me, on this issue, I'm not trying to be flippant. I just don't get it, why it's a big problem. -Herters#204
I think the peak oil problem lies in that we continue to use the increasing supply as we climb the bell curve. So when we start riding the backside of the curve people are going to go without. Also the oil that is left on the backside of the curve is going to be the harder to retrieve stuff. Unless we can find an alternative source that gives us an equal energy return on investment than we are going to be screwed. Transportation will be hit the worst since the existing alternatives for vehicle fuel have really crappy EROI numbers.
Familyman
'peak oil' smells like secret big oil propaganda to me. panic time little kiddies...
since i don't drive a SUV nor have i been on a plane since the 70's,
but, of course, since the collapse, and the economy is still imploding; i don't think peak oil really is a problem except for the suits....
the first rule of minion club is....
never mind the special minion Christmas cards, exclusive content, discount cards and more ;)
Y2K was real... seriously, I was one of the people making a lot of money fixing the stuff that everyone said was going to happen. The fact of the matter is that without a hell of a lot of work on the part of a hell of a lot of people, Y2K would have been a major disaster. We fixed it and managed to avoid almost any major disaster... but that is because we took it seriously and took steps. The fact that the general public can think everything was fine is a testament to the eternal obliviousness of the masses, and a big part of why we should be really scared about peak oil.
"'peak oil' smells like secret big oil propaganda to me. panic time little kiddies..."
ya but keep in mind everything you eat comes from oil, we will get past this but it will hurt.
Oil, its whats for dinner
Logic11 is right-on about Y2K. It could have hurt a lot of businesses and a lot of people had we not, as a nation and as a world, put a lot of time, money, and effort to fix the problems involved. The Y2K problems were minor compared to the coming peak oil problems.
It still amazes me just how oblivious people are about peak oil. Peak oil denial is common among the supposedly "intelligent" upper-middle class. It's not just the masses who are ignorant.
Of course, when people finally wake up, they will say they knew it all the time. And, by the way, they will feel all self-righteous and justified in asking/taking from people who did prepare. Human Nature scares the shit out of me.
Jimbo,
You seem to be dependent on a functioning society for your own welfare. If you lost your job and were excluded from coming in to town for whatever reason, how long could you survive. No offense but:
You have to haul in your water a few gallons at a time, where are you going to get water outside of town?
You have maybe a years supply of very basic foods, what will you eat after that is gone?
You live in a unforgiving environment for growing food, do you have plans for any type of gardening.
It seems like you have put yourself in a position of extreme poverty without any long term chances of sustainability if your limited income goes away. Why isn't the old lady working. Does she know how to ride a bike? If the old lady is willing to work then you guys ought to get busy and beef up that food storage plan and figure out were in the heck you will get your water supply. Did you say the river wasn't far off from your lot?
I had a dream last night that somebody bought the acreage next to my cabin and put up a big house with all the fixins while I was away. When I showed up they started ragging on me about how awful looking my property was and that they were going to call the county to complain. I am hoping tonight I can continue the dream and make sure that they won't be calling the county.
Peak oil is BS pure and simple. At least in our lifetimes.
Even so, I have a bicycle, a rifle, a garden, and a creek 150' away, a crosscut saw (you don't hear much about that!) and a couple axes, a woodburning stove that we use to cook on and a home with 10 acres that is 100% paid for.
Anon 7:34, thank you, it is good to see I'm not the only non-minion reader. The fact is, you don't have to be a servile cunt to take an interest in this blog. I enjoy the blog, and I think it bears merit. At the same time, I don't agree with everything Bison says- in fact I don't believe in a lot of what he says.
But, despite all that, he does bring something worthwhile to the table, and he has a way of bringing up interesting topics, so for now at least I'll keep reading.
Besides, the guy actually has minions- Bison actually has some number of readers who view him as their leader. They actually acknowledge they're his dependent underlings, and they don't mind being referred to as his servile cunts.
The entertainment value alone makes it a worthwhile read. Not to mention what a psychology student might glean from it. Herters#204
i'm sure everybody realizes that a big chunk of their money goes to the system every year: taxes, insurance, experts, repairs, tech toys...so after the shift, people could get buy on 1/10th if not more of what they get now...
of course, that's still a problem, and nobody likes people when their broke... but i'll still believe that the 'bunker mentality' is problematic. not that a food stash is unwise, but it's not the answer.
perhaps when people get over 'social climbing' and hoarding cheap factory trinkets and give some thought to being a member of a 'society' (obviously not our current 'what's in it for me' cesspool) people might give up 'playing' or 'having an angle'.
it's really amazing what a handful of people getting together can accomplish, but it rarely happens in amerika, because everybody wants to be the sargent and treat everybody else like a shitworker.
so peak oil: it merely means that the kleptocracy doesn't have access to vast amounts of cheap oil... their oil economy is unsustainable, and they would rather send off children to die in some ill concieved third crusade than give up their cocaine and champange orgy lifestyles...
don't go down with the titanic and the 'masters of the universe'. a little prepping towards your basic needs will pay back with a feeling of relative security and you'll sit by the sidelines as the riots and crack downs take place...
it's not "everyone for themeselves" it's just that those who prepare and look after themeselves might actually thrive while the drug/alcohol soaked zombies wait for the government to 'solve it' are going to be the problem...
Your claim that we gave up the manufacturing sector of our economy because there wasn't enough oil is off base. Manufacturing consumes as much oil in China as it did here. In fact, because factories there are much less efficient, they consume more. Our manufacturing sector vanished because of misguided trade policy. I'm not saying Peak Oil isn't real. Just don't confuse that issue with the trade deficit in manufactured goods.
Your observation toward the end of your post that per capita energy use is declining in the U.S. may be related to the effects of overcrowding. Overcrowding drives down the per capita consumption of virtually everything. Sounds great until you realize that falling per capita consumption also means falling per capita employment - in other words, rising unemployment and poverty. A far better way to deal with the situation is to begin working on stabilizing and eventually reducing our population.
Pete Murphy
Author, "Five Short Blasts"
For the people that doubt that Peak Oil= violent collapse, do a little reseach on how much energy goes into farming, fertilizers, and transporting it.
Think: Just in time inventory.
Everyone is not going to be able to go back to "Little House on the Praire" (They don't even have an axe to cut their wood or a mule to plow the corn field)
After 50% of the population have died or been killed off you get to choose: Little house/Old Yeller style OR Road warrior raider OR slave.
DW
To Pete Murphy,
I see where you are coming from, but I believe Jim is at least mostly right about peak oil in USA 70s contributing to the decline of USA manufacturing. As costs of energy went up, there was more motivation to export our manufacturing to countries with cheaper labor whatever their energy efficiencies.
l not yet to the point of believing we're going to see wide-spread long-term anarchy in America. I think Katrina should have taught most of us that "pockets" of anarchy not only can occur, but most certainly will; But they will be temporary and isolated events.
I see peak oil as a good thing, if people will take it seriously. Keep in mind there are humongous reserves in the ANWAR and don't think for one minute we won't tap into that eventually. Since it's inevitable, I'd just as soon see us wait until the Arabs run dry. The shoe will be on the other foot.
Reading that back, I realize it sounds spiteful and somewhat childish, not to mention narrow-minded. Still, I'll leave it out there to inspire healthy debate.-Herters#204
Have ANY of YOU people read the synopsis at dieoff.org??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
All of doubters are a bunch of complete idiots!
I'm sorry I just realized you also have to have to intellect to understand it!
You think you have a much deeper intellect than the rest of us, is that it? -Herters#204
That "Fight Club" joke was on the money!
Peak oil deniers, the theory on dieoff.org is convincing. The take away of the theory is that oil production has been increasing but not as fast as the population. So it is a per capita argument versus the hubbard peak oil theory that supports a physical decline of production. I think this makes sense. I believe the theory could be applied to all kinds of commodities including fresh water. It's funny it seems that no matter how bleak the economy looks people keep having babies. Add to that all the old folks being kept alive with fancy medications and technology.
I don't see any recipe for a population decline in the near future unless we get a SHTF scenario.
Broken record dept-file #z1B900.
IFFIN ya allow "peak oil" as world demand exceeding world supply as projected crossing curves-- my geology profs were plotting it out as occuring @1998, give or take a few and that was back in the 60-70's.
...in science one of the things that is considered suportive of an idea can be its predictive sub ideas.
c5
......it's HARD to keep a panic on for soooooooo many years.
Is C.Wirth,Phd. reading here or just being quoted?
C57
Assuming that we have not yet reached peak oil per capita, then will we ever reach a peak? Will the earth provide unlimited quantities of oil, so that we can continue to supply the ever increasing population forever? What evidence would it take to prove that we a limited supply of oil? Besides air, dirt and saltwater it seems that everything else is available in limited quantities. And even those three items can be polluted and made less beneficial.
one more thing, how come we had oil going for under $20 a barrel throughout most of the 90's with a relatively good economy? And know with the economy in the crap house we can't seem to keep it under $40 for any length of time. Inflation doesn't justify that kind of price increase. Maybe just maybe there has been less oil to go around and the futures traders know it?
Why will we necessarily die off if oil use per capita falls?
I would bet there's a ton of oil wasted shipping crappy do-dads from China to here, from the port to Wal-Mart, from Wal-Mart to Mrs. Suburbans' McMansion, from McMansion to landfill.
I think there's so much fat in the energy consumption system that you could cut oil use by 90% and still survive (though obviously not with all the toys we have today).
Instead of everyone driving 10-20 miles roundtrip top a big box store, there are tons of little stores scattered throughout the suburbs, with less selection and higher prices. Less stuff, but you can still eat.
I am not sure where they got the dieoff name from. I could foresee people dying indirectly from a lack of oil. Since oil is such a big part of farming now, less food will be grown which would cause prices to spike and lead to certain groups of people dying from malnutrition related problems. Medicines and medical care would be less available so that might cull some people.
Oh yeah and then there is that group of thugs from Road Warrior, did Mel kill all of those guys or are some of them still around?
Hey!
Herder boy!
Yes, my intellect surpasses yours.
A little advice...........
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Peak oil *IS* BS. Pure and simple. Its one of those hoax's like 'global warming' which I now see has been changed to 'climate change'............
There are tankers just floating around right now waiting for the price of oil to go up so they can unload. THAT drives up prices.
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Herters, Katrina itself was a temporary and isolated event, though the anarchy seemed somewhat confined to those 'have nots' with their hand out to Uncle Sam. Plenty of prepared, heavily armed residents were fine staying in their houses (assuming it didn't flood to the ceiling).
But when supply outstrips demand in our ailing power grid and the lights go off, it doesn't take long for people to panic.
And our food production is phucked. "Oil, it's what's for dinner" is right.
Grow your own, or you'll be waiting in line to buy a $10.00 loaf of wonderbread.
Dirty Hippie in LA
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