PODA OJT
Thanks Lloyd. I got your snail mail donation. Now then. On the job training after our civilization is a smoldering ruins. See, I'm being optimistic. I'm assuming you'll survive long enough to need to retrain. And I would like to add this, should you ever be thinking about choosing the path of pessimism. If you assume the glass is half full and take it out in the desert, you'll die of thirst. If you looked at it as half empty you would have gotten some more. That's all I got to say about that. On the job training is, sometimes, less than ideal. Like when you can only learn about combat by going through the real thing. You can be trained to a high degree, but nothing compares to the real thing. No matter how many professional shooting classes you take or how much practice you get, you still must get that crucial bit of OJT. So no matter how much money you have, no matter how well positioned you are for social collapse, you must still be lacking that last ingredient. I'm not saying you can ignore preparations, nor that they don't increase your odds of survival. Just that it will only take you so far.
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The reason I bring this up is there have been a lot of questions lately on my preparations and the advisability of my location. I assume this is from the new guys, confused at my reasoning. So here goes, again. I am preparing for one disaster at a time. The most crucial thing I did was to get out from under the yoke of a landlord. The fact that the area I'm now in has a better financial footing is also a plus. And the small population will mean less crime. I'm preparing for economic troubles. This took a lot of effort and time. I can now look forward to the next challenge, which is surviving the actual collapse. My plan is to become a nomad/herder. This is not the perfect plan, I am fully aware. It assumes my ability to quickly learn about animals, mounted infantry combat, permanent camping, etc. This area is not suited for farming. Not every area is. You need to work with that, not against it. A lot of you are living on or near fertile ground with a good water source. That is not northern Nevada. The grazing lands here are the only non-mineral resource. You can practice being a farmer. Not as easily a nomad with livestock.
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As I said, far from the perfect plan. It will require a lot of on the job training. Eventually, when I can afford fences and feed I can start learning ( at least the animal care part ). If things fall apart quickly I have no choice but to wing it. But don't get too smug with your shallow water well and huge garden. You will also be forced to undergo on the job training. Your stationary wealth will be a target and you will need to fight to protect it. Seen much combat lately? It is an unknown you can't foresee with 100% clarity. Until it happens, you simply don't know how you are going to react. Some of us are going to suck at it. Let me give an example. It is not at all the same thing, but it gives you an idea anyway. I join the army twenty five years ago, while we still had an Evil Empire to battle. My father is a cop, and I've always wanted to do him proud. So it was natural to want to also go into law enforcement. I became an MP. I'd either make the service my career or get out and go into civilian law enforcement. Well, a funny thing happened along the way to my perfectly planned career. I found I sucked at it. I won't relate the sorry details, but I freeze under pressure. I'm far too analytical. I over think everything. Which is why I'm good at this ( shut up, trolls ) and bad at thinking on my feet.
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All those dreams, all those plans, all that training. I still tried over the years. But I finely realized the sad truth and accepted I can't be something I'm not. Do you see what I'm getting at? Some things can't be known. And even if they are, you sometimes have few options. I won't do any better as a militant horseman than I did as a cop. My plan sucks because I've already got a taste of what it takes. But at least I've got the option of retreating as a nomad. As a farmer I would lose everything of value if I ran away. All the tools that kept me alive. I'm picking the least bad plan. In an ideal post collapse world, I could earn a living as a logistics officer. That is an interest of mine, primitive logistics. I'm slowly but surely working on that. It plays on my strengths instead of my weaknesses. Only time will tell.
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I hope all this is food for thought. I hope you learn from all my stupid stunts. I play around at this survival teacher nonsense, have fun with the 'loyal minion' shtick. I'm only passing down the lessons I've learned. Plus hopefully compiling lesser known information. Perhaps connecting the dots most of you haven't thought about yet. That's me, always thinking about others. Don't bother, I'll pat myself on the back.
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Tuesday, January 27, 2009
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You sound like MOSES.
Well this guy I know I told him about survivalblog.com. He read it and went to trade school , he now makes good money as a mechanic, excellent money I must say. He is preparing to buy a house and he is waiting for the right moment.
My question is: If he did all this things in less than 2 years, Why you couldnt. You could be by now making money instead of begging for donations and writting bull shit.
You sound like MOSES.
Well this guy I know I told him about survivalblog.com. He read it and went to trade school , he now makes good money as a mechanic, excellent money I must say. He is preparing to buy a house and he is waiting for the right moment.
My question is: If he did all this things in less than 2 years, Why you couldnt. You could be by now making money instead of begging for donations and writting bull shit.
Have not posted here in many a month. None the less I read every day. I relate more to you than the SB Blog man. $'s tight all over no doubt!
Last year I left a few comments about law enforcement. Yes, I'm an ex-LEO. I too feel like you stated in todays blog, I over thought every move I made. More than likely it was because I was 10 yrs. older than the 23 yr old KIDS they put on the street. These punks grew up watching TV shows and playing video games that made killing at all costs "fun and Games" (trust me! Sitting in a briefing session while these shithead punks talked about the first time they could "blow away a bad person" was very un-nerving)
Needless to say after I told my wife what was going to happen in these bad economic times, most as now occured. She hates when I am right. LOL
Today on the So Cal news they have just held a 5th news briefing on a massive murder suicide. I am sure this is going on all over the world, not just the USofA.
Lose your job, wifey says I'm leaving you! No money, I dont get my lifestyle that I need to impress all the other bitches I went to high school with, or I need more child support, vagina mony, then you will pay for my attorney and suffer the wrath of me!
Needless to say again as you touched on last year Mr.Jim, thank God for the womens rights of the late 60's! Now payback is happening all over America and the world and gun owners will face the Hell of BHO! Think this is what Hilory planned? Bad man, good woman, take away guns? I don't know do any of you have a thought?
As men trying to prepare for our families in the USofA I think 1 big hurdle will be our so called "female partners for life"
Great post, Jim- I love when you think like me! :-D I think there will be a LOT of nomadic herders comng upon the next stage, so there won't be much time for being alone and lamenting: too busy with helping everyone learn what they should'a.
Mad Dog- you can bet that going after the guns/ammo/licensing/bans is in the works. Just how they'll go about it is up in the air. Thus far it looks like an AWB again- with more weapons on the list- even lowly .22's.
I don't know if this applies to most women, but in my experience, women are relational oriented. They survive by making successful relationships with people. Relatively speaking, many men suck at playing well with others. Women seem to be great about avoiding unnecessary conflict. When necessary, men seem to better handle difficult situations where conflict resolution is unlikely. A man and woman together complement each other in that a man can be, maybe, more effective when all hell breaks loose. Women are better at making sure all hell doesn't break loose.
As for survivalist oriented men, if you want to continue with a woman, I think it's important to realize that the woman might be more future oriented: looking forward to prosperity and grand children. Men are looking to just get us through whatever-this-is today in one piece. At times, it seems the sexes just can't or won't understand where the other is coming from.
gee, jimbo couldn't make it as MP ? that's just plain pathetic.
WTF is a 'primitive logistics officer' ? what? you planning on being a sargent in the post-collapse world when all the job openings are for shitworkers ?
yeah! grab a shovel, time to bury the NEW WORLD ODOR...
"You could be by now making money instead of begging for donations and writting bull shit."
well dude, there you go being all 'moralistic' and making nasty hurtful emotional 'value judgements'....
hum ! work/slave for the man and pay a mortgage/insurance/taxes, or live in a trailer and do your own thing....
no brainer ! or are you still straining about COLLAPSE....i mean you can sit around and listen to the promises of the government saving your fat dumb ass, or, if it looks like a COLLAPSE, sounds like a COLLAPSE, and smells like a COLLAPSE, it sure as hell ain't going to taste like fried chicken and watermellon.....
difference between men and women:
women tend not to drink much because there are other possible consequences....
give a guy a six-pack and they would fuck a tree.....
"woman might be more future oriented: looking forward to prosperity and grand children"
well, woman was just born on the wrong planet at the wrong time. because if your expecting grand children and 'prosperity' your a lunatic.
Thanks for the post Jim.
"a man has got to know his weakness"
and when he does that makes his strengths stronger!
Bison, you rang true on the primitive logistics being a true Nomad's way--- all tools-- knives, cups, sporks... gone. Backpack it out.
Had to replace even the basics of necessities more than once.
Good live and learn Post...
Anonymous 2:31 is dead right. I mean drop-dead-fucking-this-is-supported-by-pyschological-theory right. The only change I would make is that women aren't necessarily more future oriented but their idea of 'the future' is different.
My father is a psychologist and I've talked with him numerous occasions on the basic differences. Anyway, everyone else except Mad Dog and Cygnus who made more than a one-sentence comment is an enormous dumbass who has no idea how to actually give a logical dispute.
Man Jim if I was you I'd shut down comments just avoid getting harassed by these assclowns. The people who care would email you. Good post, I like your thinking as usual.
It seems like MAESTRO need to talk to a real Psychologist , not his father. His father will protect him.
I'll never say what my father is or was. I dont run on his merits I run on my merits.
If some one is an A....H.... Here is maistro. He sounds like foreing born. His father must be a Pakistani Brain shrink.
Why choose to be a nomad herder?
Wouldn't water and feed for the animals be a major concern?
Don't you haul water into your current place?
Do you have enough wheat to provide for the animals?
Why not go with Plan C?
Community and Cooperation.
Reduce weakness by having a variety of folks that have compatible skill sets.
As far as growing stuff in Nevada, have you tried raised beds using humanure? Or small scale gardening in 5 gallon buckets?
something along the lines of:
http://www.bearridgeproject.com/2008/04/garden-update.html
I read several of the survivalist blogs and it seems the way they bicker back and forth they will take each other out if SHTF.
I hope you have the time to address some of the issues I mentioned, thanks for the good reads ;D
Speaking of 'civlization' and jobs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkPUKvD7uRw
I guess the survivalists are looking for ways to get past periods of disaster and tend to believe that change is coming fast and is not the good kind. Jim has several times grappled with the need of community and cooperation for long term survival. He guesses that nomad herding is a direction to go. It strikes me that he realizes all the problems of junkland homesteading but, like many of us, hasn't worked out the details of what to do after the food supplies run out. And he doesn't seem to have a good water solution either. Perhaps, ultimately, like most people in the world who are going through hardship or looking for hope and an alternative, he hopes for a miracle. I, for one, just think that we are, by storing food, providing for shelter, maybe on junk land, maybe in our existing home, maybe a tent on squatted land, and by defensive measures, well, I am just buying time when things are totally out of my control. For the rest of it, I am in God's hands.
As for women, I believe that male or female survivalists will have a better chance of survival if the pair up. Survival is hard going alone. I also believe that women have some strengths that men in general just do not possess. It is said they are the most dangerous of the species. I believe it. Also, I believe that those who can cooperate with others and be a contributing part of a community will have a far better chance of survival.
Anon 7:04,
I share your thoughts. I am confused by Jimbo's efforts. It doesn't seem like he is or was set on one path. I will stick with my cabin and prepare as well as I can for dealing with unfriendlies if they come my way.
One benefit of the nomadic lifestyle would be the shorter list of stuff to buy. You can only carry so much when you are on the move. It will surely be a rough life though.
You could mix up lifestyles a bit and have your main pad with little stashes nearby in case you are forced to vacate and hit the road.
I would think that most organized unfriendlies would not want to hang around your place for long unless it is something fancy like Rawles might own.
Wouldn't being a nomadic herder introduce a whole 'nother set of problems?
what if the herd gets sick? Do you stockpile animal meds? If a few got sick in the herd wouldn't you be risking losing the whole herd?
Jim boy you are a joke! You could not survive a snow storm, and the strange thing is people listen to you. What a shame their blood is on your hands.
Bison, while being a nomadic herder is as noble a life as any, in all candor I have to say I don't think it's wise to put your eggs in that basket. Talk about vulnerable...
I think survivalists ought to spend more time acknowledging the need to start RIGHT NOW developing strong relationships with the people in their areas. A little goodwill goes a long way.
Isolationism is not the answer, and while becoming a nomadic herder may be some romantic ideal, if you don't have a strong and healthy tribe to go with your herd, you will die sooner rather than later.
Granted, you actually stand a chance of gathering a tribe up from amongst your minion-cunts. Probably wouldn't be a strong and healthy tribe though.
Tell you the truth, I would not entrust my well-being to them- the fact that they are self-proclaimed Bison-Minions is strong evidence of psychological flaws.
Oops forgot to sign- that's me, anon 11:32
-Herters#204
Hi Jim, It sounds like you are not quite sure about the future or exactly what to do to survive.
There is no right answer. None of us know what is going to happen. We may just struggle by and things will get better or more likely things will get REAL bad in the next year or two.Chances are we won't see a teotwaki or postman senario..........but who knows.
I've been a survivalist since cub scouts. Retired LEO. Five gun fights (took first place in all of them) and didn't look forward to any of them. Taking a life takes a bite out of your soul.
Now I'm old. 10 years ago moved to Michigans U.P. raise chickens and a garden. Eat fresh venison. House and two cars paid for. Get by on a pension and social security. I still don't know if I made the right decisions in life. Still married to my starter wife. She is a big help. Without her I would have shit out my liver a long time ago.
Good luck, G.C.
Like many here have said, herding/nomad is very vulnerable. I imagine there will be many bandits/predatory groups cruising for just such folks. There are not enough "7's" to eliminate all the Calvera's that will crawl out from under the rocks.
I suspect the only well fed nomads will be the ones stealing from the stationary folks.
or bring a nomadic herder what happens in the event you become ill and cannot tend to the herd?
Hey mate, just found your blog while researching a bit about surviving winter in a tent (if it ever became nec.) Not knowing how else to send you pvt msgs, I'm just gonna post this here. First to say, THANK YOU! Much info I'm finding useful. We seem to think much alike on certain issues, although I don't think I'm as extreme.
Personally, if my life gets any worse, I'd just as soon die. Survival isn't worth it, it's already too painful for me, having severe arthritis destroying my joints, and mere survival I'm afraid would just be sheer torture.
But I still feel an innate compulsion to try to be prepared if I have to suffer through this shitty life (I'm not the suicidal type, it'll end soon enough without help, just hoping the sooner the better :P) Our family has been homeless more than once, we already live a quite spartan life, and have been spending years in preparing for just such circumstances as you expect - I'm starting to wonder if this POV is endemic to our generation (Gen Jones, Gen X, whatever you wanna call it), considering how our futures were looted by the friggen boomers - we hope this rotten system will collapse.
I wanted to ask: Why do you suggest wheat so highly, instead of rice & beans?
I always thought rice & beans were the bare minimal subsistence diet ("lived" on it exclusively for 5 months while living in hell Louisiana for a year. Poverty makes the best diet, lost 40lbs in 2 months..)
Just curious as to your reason to suggest wheat kernel, over other available options like rice and beans.
BTW, centuries old anazazi beans were found, from which new crops are available for purchase. I mention that because in your homestead.html you said only wheat had such a long lifespan, but beans can too, (and I suspect rice too), if its stored dry. Never had any bug problems with beans & rice either. Plus prep consists of throwing them into water. Don't even need to heat it, just soak til soft.
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