SUV CITY
Every once in awhile there is mention of a tent city somewhere or another. When I was still in Carson City the Reno tent city was big news. For a second there reason almost prevailed, and the city allowed the tents to remain on the public lot. They set up a few porti-potties and a dumpster and had a patrol car run through on occasion. This was a sensible and cheap way to handle the homeless problem. Well, some special interest group stood to lose money, so I'm sure they got a lawyer involved and some excuse was found to force the people out. Instead of a few bucks every month in sanitation expenses and a few gallons of gas for a cruiser, the city kicked out the 75 homeless and opened up a brand new ten million dollar building that housed twenty people. Insane. But it shows you how special interest groups that have their BMW and college education paid for by forcing a monopoly through government regulation won't stop sucking at the public tit even if fiscal contraction dictate it is the best action. Throughout history, those benefiting from the old system will not alter their behavior even as collapse occurs. Look around you and you can see this everywhere. Whenever anyone suggests some way that will save us if we change, remember that change costs the rich money and those in command power. In other words, ain't going to happen.
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I know I've covered that before. Today, it ties into your strategy for living through the coming collapse. I know you won't buy any junk land. You still think somehow someone will save us before the end. You think you will scrape up your mortgage payment as unemployment hits thirty percent or higher. Or maybe the same guy that sold you Enron stock promises that your gold certificate actually represents an actual physical amount of gold safely hidden away and you'll pay off your debts when gold hits a hundred billion dollars an ounce once Obammy starts up the printing presses to pay for universal health care and pay the new five million Federal employees that will round up your semi-automatic pellet guns. So, you won't have a place to live. The natural inclination is to throw the camping tent on your backpack frame and plan on bugging out.
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My point today is this. Tent cities stand out. They attract the wrong kind of attention. I hate the infernal combustion engine on frugal grounds. I hate the countries dependence on them. But, if this is going to be a long term collapse, that implies a growing police state. The police will harass you on principle. Laws against vagrants might have been judged un-Constitutional, but look how well that worked for the laws against torture or wiretapping. When The Man wants to harass you ( My God Mabel! Look at that riff-raff cluttering up the streets, begging for jobs. I tell you, something must be done. It simply looks bad ), he will find a way. There is less chance of being harassed if you blend in with the Driving Class. Living in a tent will paint a huge target on your head. Look, poor bitches! This country has always prided itself on the lack of a class system, but that is merely a myth. Lack of money is the ultimate sin, and there are going to be a heck of a lot more sinners real quick. Through no fault of their own, people will be permanently unemployed and in real terms benefits will be cut to pay for the increased numbers, hyper-inflation or not. And they will be blamed, not the politicians and bankers and corporate CEO's. This is an emotional hot button and not subject to reason or rational thinking. The poor will, as always, be blamed for their condition.
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I am not saying living out of a vehicle is a satisfactory choice. It leaves a lot to be desired. You break down once too often, you run out of gas, you are stuck in a bad location and harassed. This is why I didn't flee down south when winter hit Elko in October. I can't take the chance of being in an area where I don't have a legal squat to avoid Law Dog. Life is full of crappy choices, and whereas before if you stayed off welfare and worked and didn't use drugs you had a great chance of avoiding most unpleasantness, tomorrow will not be such a happy existence. The bad choices will simply multiply regardless of what you do. If you find yourself unemployed and homeless, better to stay with the car if at all possible. If you can hike up into a wilderness area, fine. You can set up a tent and remain unmolested except by bears and such. But if you remain in a populated area, a car will offer better camouflage than a tent will. What the government gives, they can take away. Including the right to set up a tent and live out of it.
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I think right now a piece of junk land is a much better idea. Used cars are going up in price as nobody has the credit or the down payment for new autos. It should be cheaper in the long run to buy land. But, everyone has different circumstances. So a car squat might be all you can do. Try to keep your car running and in good repair. And unencumbered by debt if possible. It might be your home real soon.
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Attention anonymous commenter- I made this one extra long and didn't come to the point for awhile just for you. So suck it. The rest of you, big hugs and little kisses and buy my crap at www.bisonpress.com
Monday, January 05, 2009
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Once again, a very sensible post and well put...
The PTB just don't like to be reminded of the errors of their ways! Surly they can't believe that many people chose to live without a roof, a job, a future or food!
Christ! When will someone show some common sense? Oh, I forgot...that's one thing NOT allowed in the government now days!
I would say now is the best time to buy a used car. The lots are filled with them especially newer repos and such.
A van is the only way to go for living. The less windows the better.
If you are still working then make it a night job graveyard is best. You can park and sleep almost anywhere in the day (parks are nice).
Get a cheap gym membership if you can afford it. The gym in my town has rates as low as $15 a month if you pay for a year up front. It is not a fancy gym and stinks a little but for $15 a month you get hot showers, toilet, tv, cable, warmth and even a crappy hot tub.
I went with cheap land but the van was tempting enough to plan it out.
Also stick with the decent size city (40,000 or so pop.) That way the cops are less likely to be your friend.
Buy a cheap but operational enclosed trailer. Pack it full of your storage goodies and find a space to rent for it. When things get really bad just hook up your trailer and head over to Jim's place, hes got plenty of room (Van City)
The thought that keeps coming back to me about having my land (paid for and all set for everything) is the taxation part. As it is, taxes aren't that high.
But when TSHTF, the cost of everything is going to sky rocket. When gov'ts can't get money from others, they'l attack the property oweners. My opinion, anyway. And when the taxes get to the point I can't pay them, I'm 'just another refugee'. Sad but true. So even having junk land- which mine is not even close to- is likely to become a hindrance eventually. Even if worthless, the PTB will find ways to tax us off it. Just a sad fact of what's going on today. So, keep the truck gassed, the camper ready (working on it in a flurry of activity) and the BOV stocked with pleanty of ammo and all the food stuff, water and tools it can carry.
Just my opinion, anyway.
LOL, Anonymous2.26...if the people can afford a club membership, they aren't going to be too poor to worry about living in a tent. As to your obvious disdain of Preppers and individuality: I hope the cops in your town are less likely to be your friend- that way they can harass your skanky ass beyond belief and you'll be begging Jim to let you in.
Shy
Dear Mr. Dakin,
I really enjoy your blog and all the helpful ideas, recipes and such.
It seems like most of your ideas are for people on a shoestring budget. What I'd like to know is, how would you spend $100K? Would you buy a fancy airstream trailer? A 20 year supply of Spam? A herd of beefalo? What would you do with that kind of money?
Sincerely,
Anonymous
having spent a few years living and travelling in a van and not finding myself, seeing all sorts of weird shit, and getting it all out of my system. i recommend people check out the yahoo! group "van_dewellers". there's a ton of free information.
there's stuff about car and truck dwelling, also. and ideas on what works, more or less...
van motors are hard to work on, so don't go out of the way for one. truck with cap, camper, travel trailer seems like luxury on the cheap. but the more visible the more attention you draw....it's a trade off.
actually, plenty of people end up living in their car, it's doable. don't waste much $$$ on tents, they'll fall apart fast. plastic rolls and tarps actually work better....
generally, the more your "papers are in order" and the more "respectable" you look the less hassel from the man. i've heard if the man pulls you in for no good reason, that saying things like "you need your medication...." is a good way to get released. anything that sounds like it will cost the system lots of money...
since, sis is serving *&^%$#@ chicken tonite, i won't get to far into having moved onto 'junk land' here in NH decades ago, only to have hoards of white flight parents and speculators shit all over state.
needless to say, it's junk land again, but being taxed at astronomical rates (ohhh...but it's all about goooood schools for precious ). and yes, it's a law in this town: NO TRAILERS. they don't want POOR FOLK here ! btw! foreclosures have hit an historic high, wonder how many folk got thrown out on the street for xmass this year ?
DEMENTED, COLD, and +ISSED in NH
GO'D BLESS YOU & HAVE A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR.
Jim:
I liked your post.
I agree that living in a tent city makes anyone a TARGET: Either a target for a crime, or a target for "law enforcement". A Big tent city in the wrong place is usually a MEGA-TARGET. Just look at what happened to the WWI veteran "Bonus Marchers" that camped out on the US Capitol Mall in the 1930s. They got squashed by the US Army.
What constitutes 'junk land'. I've been fortunate & the wife and I earn a very good living and I'm no huge spender. I worry about the future like everyone else. Just got my property tax/school tax bill for '09 and it's a shade under $9500 for the year. That's sick. My brother made a comment a few years back that nobody owns a house, you just 'rent' it from the government.
Of course, I said that was horses**t. He said "try not paying your property taxes and see who owns it". Wow, don't I now feel like the a**hole! It's not like I am going to pack up house and have my wife and I quit our jobs, but it might be a good idea to have a fallback position should things ever go in the crapper.
So what's junk land, where do you research it and what do you look for? Thanks. -G3Ken...formerly just Ken, but there's another one of us floating around. Imagine that!
sounds like anon 3:32 is looking to goad you Jim. Looking to make smartalac snyd remarks and belittle you.
Good post
Thanks
Old Fart
Shy, If $15 bucks a month separates the people in your town from living the good life and living in a tent, then you are lucky. $15 bucks won't buy much in my part of the country. If you find yourself living out of your car then all the comforts of the gym will seem like a pretty good deal. You can always save $10 and spend $5 on baby wipes and cheap cologne.
And Shy no disdain for preppers here, I am working on my preps feverishly and as for individuality, to each his own.
'sounds like anon 3:32 is looking to goad you Jim. Looking to make smartalac snyd remarks and belittle you.'
Not at all, Old Fart. I was not trying to belittle Mr. Dakin, just trying to help him think out of the box. This blog is really great and very much appreciated, I was just trying to fire up the author's imagination.
Anon 3:32
Great post. I've heard of lots of people who are homeless and living in cars. Comparing the prices and benefits of junk land and used cars is somewhat inaccurate because most people already own a car of some sort.
Its damn hard for most folks now....'least the ones who are not prepped.......
and no I wont buy anymore of your crap,....dont need 3 of everything.
I liked this post too. Living stealth style out of a van, especially something a tad bigger such as a cargo van, is the better idea come homelessness.
Hobo Stripper's blog ( http://www.hobostripper.com/ ) was excellent as a source on stealth van living. She finally retired to a cabin in Alaska and I think she does phone sex now, but the archives have lots of great info for van living (and stripping if you're into that).
Hey bison, i can vouch for the validity of the idea... because i've lived in my car before. Not two months ago. Just drive 'er down to the rest area ever' night; Had a pisser right there, other bodies around for some similance of security...
Weren't the best of worlds, but i was warm, dry, and didn't attract Jonny Law's attention...
Good post, man.
Okay, Anon 2.26/4.46- I recind my snide comment. $15 doesn't buy much any more any where in the country, for sure. My point isn't so much that it's 'living high off the hog' as it is about what people will spend that cash on other than a club membership to get showers and some TV, a good workout and a warm berth. 'Cuz they won't.
If they're that destitute, it's going for food, car gas and- yup: baby wipes and cheap parfume.
Been there, done that. More times than I care to admit and usually due to my own stupidity. However, I did 'cheat' and take showers at the local college and vo-tech in the gym lockers. Was never hastled or questioned by anyone. Too, I've lived both in a tent and in my car, a station wagon, for quite a few years. The tent was preferable to the car until the weather hit zero.
With the way this country's going, I may well be doing it again and not looking forward to it.
Yup- dif'rent strokes for dif'rent folks.
Thanks for responding, it cleared the air.
Shy
If you can, go the route of a small motor home or van. I have a mid eighties Toyota motor homes, they get great mileage, are easy to work on, and are reasonaby roomy for their size. Have squatted on public land for weeks on end by covering with a o.d. green tarp and actual mil. cammo netting. My main rule was to never stay in one spot for more than 2 weeks, and never let anyone see or hear you enter or leavce your campsite.
http://bisonsurvivalblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/junk-van-3.html
in Junk Van 3 Mr Dakin suggests
a large junk van (without motor or trans) with tow bar registered as a trailer.
You have trailer, storage, bedroom, guest house, greenhouse in one.
Jim I must give you credit. You are the best at turning a one sentence idea into two pages of crap added on as filler, to make you look like you know what in the hell you are talking about. Save everyone time just say what you mean and shut the fuck up.
Copy an idea from a book add a thousand words of padding and filler around it, that seems to be the norm here.
Why do niggers cry during sex?
The Mace.
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How do you stop a nigger from drowning?
Take your foot off the back of his head.
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What happened when the Ethiopian fell in the crocodile pit?
He ate six crocs before they could pull him out.
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Why did the Jews wander in the desert for 40 years?
Because one of them lost a quarter.
Now that kind of racist bigoted commentary is uncalled for! Why don't you go find some other trashy place to post your ignorant jokes? You give us anonymouses a bad name.
Good post Jim.
I see the anonymous white supremist has chimed in.
I have a Chysler mini van that we use on trips....rice burner for daily commute and I am blessed with a work car. I can't convince my wife to buy a full size van. A small family could live fairly comfy in one.
The mini van will have to suffice if car living is ever required. Working on the land as we speak.
As long as you are on your own land, and you don't get complained on....ie...out in the sticks and don't piss off the neighbors you can get away with most shelters. Had a crazy nudist type that lived in an old army tent for years down here....only harrassment he got was for riding his motorcycle to town.....yes, nothing but a helmet and shoes.....
Another option to the gym membership is alot of truck stops have pay showers or do the solar showers for "free".
Excellent post. I agree with your position. Maintaining a low profile is the way to go. If the crowd goes left, I'm taking a right. I want to be as far from the refugee... I mean, tent city, as possible.
to 10:58 AM:
You need some serious counseling before you totally crack-up.
Seriously, my earlier post went unanswered in lieu of some smartass posts trying to get your goat.
I'd really like to know what is junk land, what should I look for specifically and where can I find it and not worry about getting scammed?
G3Ken,
At least some of us smartasses have actually read Dakin's e-book and are not pestering him with redundant questions. In his book he specifically tells you where and how to buy junk land.
What's the difference between dog shit and niggers?
When dog shit gets old it turns White and quits stinking.
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What's the difference between a jew and a pizza?
A pizza doesn't scream in the oven.
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What is black, runny, and scratches on glass?
A nigger in a microwave.
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How do you know if a nigger is well hung?
If you can't fit your finger between his neck and the noose.
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How many nigger college students does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Only one, but he gets 6 credits for it.
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Did you hear about the jewish child molestor?
He hid in the bushes and said, "Hey little boy, wanna buy some candy?"
To "Anonymous @ 7:30 am". If I was aware that Mr. Dakin had an eBook describing the "junk land" process, I wouldn't have "been pestering him with a redundant question", now would I?
A simple "see Jim's e-book" would have sufficed! I would hope that Jim would be happy to have another reader interested in what he had to say.
Being a decent human being might help.
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