DIG IN 2012
Below is an email I received. It asks for some advice on underground shoring. I'll let you read it in a bit, but first I must prattle on and on in an attempt to trick you into thinking I wrote something today. I apologize about the slow down in my output the last week or so. I'm going through a bit of a block, not having any real good ideas and kind of just winging it. I realize it is far from my best and am trying to get out of the funk. I know you are all a fickle lot and will leave me as soon as I grow stale and repetitive. Heck, I would do the same thing. So just bear with me a little. I've had these before and always emerged.
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Should we be concerned with 2012? 90% of what is out there is utter drivel, the "my great grandfather the Earth spirit came to me in a dream and showed me our Mother weeping, her flesh torn asunder and the man locust swept aside". Am I being rude and dismissive? You bet. I had better vision on LSD and I don't try to share them with many people. They were my enjoyment, and were not some window into an alternate universe. Okay, I'll share a little. After the acid kicks in, listen to the Doors "The End" ( thanks, DK, for introducing me to the music ). That giant snake was cool. Don't go with Pink Floyd. For one thing, you don't even need drugs. And for another, waaaay too depressing. I used to go to sleep every night with "The Wall" playing on headphones, and look how I turned out with that subliminal programming.
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What isn't voodoo crap is easily explained. As in, the Mayan calender might have stopped simply because society supporting the astronomers work crashed. The other 10% seems to make sense. I won't even try to repeat most of it, something about the earths orbit farthest away from the sun affecting the poles. It seems it can all be explained scientifically. I think a search under "pole shift" should get you a lot of info. Yet, Peak Oil can be easily explained scientifically and look how few people accept that. Or, look at global warming. Al "I invented the Internet" "I look like an uber-geek with my beard" Gore gave the whole scare a really bad name. Yet looking at the before and after pictures of the glaciers make it seem plausible. I wouldn't dismiss any potential disaster, as long as it seems reasonable. Whether you can realistically prepare is another matter. You just have to pick and choose what you can prep for.
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Here is a letter I got:
Hello James,I am a reader from France (yeah I know ;-)I like your concept of frugal survivalism, I can relate to that.Since this year I have an obsession to go underground. I somehow feel that it's where I will be secure from all the catastrophic events announced for 2012 ... don't laugh, to each his own paranoia ;-)So I plan to dig a kind of bunker, deep underground. I have no job since last October, my financial situation allows me a shovel and some construction material (wood, concrete etc).But I have time, I just lack the knowledge to dig and to reinforce the tunnel / bunker to avoid the whole thing collapsing on me.This is something I can't ask in France, even on the Internet : here nobody knows that it's "TEOTWAWKI now !!!" ;-)They would send me in a mental institution after discovering all the rice I stockpiled ! :-)I was thinking maybe you or one of your reader could give me advices on how to reinforce my construction, you know like in the old mines they were putting wood all around the tunnels they were digging (my dictionary gives me "stay" or "prop" or "strut" for the french word I mean but I don't know if it's accurate).I would start to dig under a tent to avoid being seen. I was thinking about a kind of tunnel that would go to the bunker.This bunker should offer protection from solar flares and radioactivity, maybe a lead covered roof if I can afford the lead.I think the lead would allow me to dig a shallower bunker, but I don't know how much ground or lead I need to block solar flare or radioactivity.I want to start as soon as the winter will be over.So I would be grateful to you if you could post this email on your blog. Please don't give publicly my email address, I will read the answers in the comments.Thank you and keep up with the blog, there are not only the trolls that read it, even the (one) french do ! :-)JMN
Jim says- I did a spell check by other than that left it alone as written.
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Thursday, February 19, 2009
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Hey James...maybe you should tell this reader about some of the free online plans here in the states for build it yourself shelters.
He could probably Google "Fallout Shelters" or such, and get everything he needs without being too open about it, don't you think?
Just my thoughts...for whatever they're worth.
"Jim says- I did a spell check **BY** other than that left it alone as written."
Did you do that on purpose to get the trolls all fired up Jim?? we all know those African spell checkers are useless... :P
Anyway, i'm not sure how this will go for your readers example, but i have heard the easiest way to make an underground bunker is to bury a big plastic water tank, not sure how long that will take using a shovel though. Sometimes on the news you hear stories of bikies burying shipping containers to store their drugs and illegal guns in too.
As for digging a tunnel it depends on the ground you have, if you are in soft/sandy soil it will just cave in no matter what, its probably not a very safe thing to try and do, building a tunnel without the assistance of someone experienced, a lot of miners used to get killed in tunnels.
I am sure there must be walkin Freezers at restaurants over there. Find when they are going to replace one or when a restaurant goes out of business,, buy or beg the walkin. Take it apart and take it home. Dig a big hole, put in footings, put it back together and brace the sides and roof from the inside. Cover with a pool liner and sheet plastic and bury it.
Mine is 3 feet under ground no leaks.
No name
Well Frenchie.
Jim in his post has giving you all the answers.
It said "po" some LSD And the great spirit(great grandfather) will appear. (cool).
I'll make it short.
He was so interested about your letter that he posted it.
At the end he gave his input.
It said:
SHUT UP AND BUY MY CRAP.
Nice and considerate guy.
Just follow his advice "he knows everything"
That why he is what he is.
sucsefull, knowledable, rich , etc, etc...
Old Fart
Well Frenchie.
Jim in his post has giving you all the answers.
It said "po" some LSD And the great spirit(great grandfather) will appear. (cool).
I'll make it short.
He was so interested about your letter that he posted it.
At the end he gave his input.
It said:
SHUT UP AND BUY MY CRAP.
Nice and considerate guy.
Just follow his advice "he knows everything"
That why he is what he is.
sucsefull, knowledable, rich , etc, etc...
Old Fart
Kid.
You're very intelligent, asking advise about how to dig a tunnel for an underground shelter to a man that lives in a trailer, on acreage of junk land. I dont know, but from now on Ill be carefull of french people's intelligence.
"SHUT UP AND BUY MY CRAP."
hum! i was feeling generous and sprung the $2 for Jim's latest e-book. really wanted to see what was going to turn those yuppie spawn kids into anti-social psychopaths !
DNH
add this to the buy my crap list
http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Dollar-Underground-House-Book/dp/0442273118/ref=pd_sim_b_2
If I was to dig for a tunnel or underground shelter, I would consider and area that has water near by. Water is essential for continuation of life.
Being Frenchman, I would dig near a dam, river or ocean. That way I will asure that i have water, to take my LSD.
Nice post Jim.
Great Ideas coming from France.
The answers will vary according to the soil, if built on flat or hillsides and water table. I'd start with that Mike Oehler book $50 Underground Book and go from there.
Mayberry
Here is your answer.
Build an underground shelter just below a dam. that way you can have water or use your boat to feed your family.
I'm telling you. the french are good. they dont even know what deodorant is.
Go ahead Matb. give us your .02 cents. we are all ears.
Deaf mute.
My shelter is a cave just below a volcano. No need or worries for heating it. Cozy in winter.
Another frenchie.
The guy from France had one very good idea: dig a hole within a tent so as to not attract undue attention. People really are paranoid about paranoids who actually do something about their fears.
Also, if you can find a remote area and dig underground, you have a far better chance of not being disturbed. Dense forest would be best.
"Shelter, Shacks and Shanties" by Dan Beard has an entry as close as a simple earth house as can be: built into the side of a hill: HOW TO BUILD AN AMERICAN BOY'S HOGAN. Basically, the entrance is invisible. You notch out a hill side, re-enforce with planks (or plywood) hogan=style, tar paper over the wood, and cover with earth left over from notching.
"Shelters, Shacks, and Shanties" is a very interesting book on how to build low-tech, inexpensive shelters. You can buy it on Amazon.com. You can see sample shelters at:
http://www.inquiry.net/
traditional/beard/
shelters.htm
i have to agree, the mike oehler book would be the source you are looking for...i got my copy last week...i am hoping to being construction in may or june...
Jim, Everyone should add lots of salt to their supplies. You can use it to preserve troll meat to eat in the winter.
Yeah anon 2:40 PM, dig your UNDERGROUND shelter very near an underground water source.
Got gills, Atlantean?!?
Here's another vote for the Mike Oehler book. I'm reading it right now and finding lots of good ideas.
Idaho Homesteader
Take a look at the Magnoe (not spelled right, but you know what I mean) Line. Some of the best underground shelters ever built were in France. A very good system to shrink and copy.
Hi JMN,
You simply have to do a google search to find the french survivalist board.
http://le-projet-olduvai.kanak.fr/index.htm
Alas, it quickly lost most value, not as much because of the few trolls than because of the tree-huggers, teenage angst and the general overpolitisation of everything (well, what do you, it's a french forum after all).
I stopped contributing nearly a year ago. But search the archives, there are some things about shelters there as well.
As normal, scum floats to the surface for all to see.
STFU trolls.
@Anon 2:37
Well the quality that I retained from Jim was not his digging abilities but his emphasis on frugal survivalism. Yeah I could ask JWR, I'm sure he or his readers could find a solution for less than 50 000$ :p
But you're right to beware of our intelligence : here I'm considered as a bright specimen, so I let you imagine the average french ! :D
@Anon 9:37
Do you really think I can frugally and discretly build something like Maginot line ? :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line
@Andros
I know this french forum, nothing about digging there. My concern is reinforcing the structure. Do you have any experience about that ?
@others
I can't use an external structure like a freezer or a water tank (or even a bus as advocated by the canadians !), I have no mean to transport it & no way to hide something this big.
So it's why I want to start to dig in a tent, that way I won't be seen from far. There still the shovel noise though.
The books look interesting, thanks for the info.
Thanks everybody for their input (even the trolls :-) and thanks Jim for posting my email.
JMN
Man - this cool or what. An on-line .pdf version of that Oeler book so you don't even have to buy it - hope I didn't screw up the link. Tiny url and all.
http://tinyurl.com/cugj2t
@10:38
this is what I call frugal, many thanks.
JMN
I think you could dig in the open, just tell anyone nosy enough to care that you are building a "Wine Cellar" What could be more French than that?! In fact you can probably find plenty of plans for wine cellars online or in construction publications in France. the only difference between a wince cellar and a bunker being it's purpose.
Sorry I didn't see this sooner I think what your really looking for is.
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Homes/1982-03-01/Earth-Sheltered-Home.aspx
I also liked Carters book 'Build it Underground' a few really good ideas mixed with lots of duds but you don't need so many houses you cant recall what you have like certain former presidential hopefuls. It is out of print and hard to find but Amazon usually has a copy for a price.
As for adding strength you Frechies are apparently smarter than Americans look into this.
http://www.hempfood.com/iha/iha01209.html
I had this link under another section i think but its a good start to planning out shelters. free downloads of basic shelters and the construction.
http://www.newviewgroupllc.com/
and thanks to Colorado Preppers for supplying that link....keep a hard copy to carry with you .....never know when you wont be able to access internet
Delta Echo says:
Mine props for durability should be yellow locust or white oak, same for headers. shoring planking can be oak mill run. Digging a shaftway is a bunch of work. and danger. A better system is to find a source of bolt together steel pipe, the heavy corregated type. The round section has a stronger structure from the compressive loads. Or get steel H beam bent into circles and instal hoops in a round tunnel with oak timbers as lagging inbetween courses of hoops. Of course your not gonna dig by hand very far without power tools. point is round is better.
Hey Jim, "The End" is indeed cool, but check this out. I think you'll like it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhKiIbuQavw&feature=related
"pole shift" is one of the reasons a catastrophe would happen. Have you read anything of the Mayans they are not fools, they predicted the coming of many different ages. There prediction for 2012... The End
Plus another thing people should worry about, if you care at all about living is the fact that in the past Earth was visited by a planet called Nibiru called today "planet X" we don't see it in our sky because it's orbit around our sun is 3600 years.
Well people, it's about 4 billion miles away right now and getting closer. When it visited in the past we saw the deluge, caused by the melting of the ice caps. Nibiru is on it's way once again and what it brings is unknown at the time. I'm sure there are government officials that know all about it, but we a mere civilians they need us eliminated anyways.
But yea, I could go on and on but i have other things I gotta do
:)
Please at least research "planet X"/Nibiru
The author of bisonsurvivalblog.blogspot.com has written an excellent article. You have made your point and there is not much to argue about. It is like the following universal truth that you can not argue with: It takes as long as it takes is a stupid phrase Thanks for the info.
Man what a great site. I know there is allot of information and theories concerning 2012 but I am glad to have found a place that talks about ACTION. I started a site to give people the theories and let them decide...more out of fun since my birthday is on Dec. 21 but then I started finding out a few real dangerous possibilities. I hope you don't find if I link to your blog in the future. Stop by and critique my site sometime.
All theories 2012
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