Friday, April 03, 2009

ghetto insulation

GHETTO INSULATION
Let's talk about the Italian earthquake briefly before starting today. Don't pass on this opportunity to go on and on about how those eighty thousand homeless people have no where to go. This will hopefully sway your significant other. Gee, I wonder if something could happen to us like that. Perhaps we should buy that trailer or junk land. Perhaps stocking up at the case sale isn't such a bad idea. Personally, I can't see how anyone can ignore the warning of Katrina where piles of wreckage still squat. You're homeless? Don't bother us, just move to another public housing project in another city. The lesson should be that the government is not here to help ( I also take it as a lesson that we are a nation in decline, but no need to fill their head with too much detail ). Reinforce the message with this disaster.
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While it is all well and good to have cords and cords of wood and three chainsaws and extra parts ( parts is parts! ) for them, an underground tank of gasoline to run them, etcetera, as important or more so is insulation. It is generally a one time expense. It usually never gets cheaper to wait to buy it ( other than seasonal fluctuations ). You bite the bullet, pay the mind numbing expense and have a lifetime investment. Forever after you need to buy less energy to stay warm, a legitimate worry if you care to worry about Peak Oil ( not running out, just running out of cheap and abundant ). Not only do you save money buying the heat, you can perhaps survive if you can't get any heat at all. I've wanted to increase my trailer insulation since it isn't generally much warmer than a tent ( although much more secure ). The half inch of insulation that was originally installed only kept the interior ten degrees warmer than the outside, and that was if you had solar or propane heat the day before. A few cloudy days and it could get as cold as the outside in the mornings.
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The problem with insulating a trailer is that you basically have two choices. Build a enclosure around the outside or gut the inside to beef up the insulation with studs and fiberglass batts. The first choice means you are no longer mobile. As you might remember, I have three lots of land in Elko. One is paid for, but so far out of town I can't commute daily to work. The one I'm living on is "only" four miles from town, six miles to work. The problem with that one is it's way overpriced at six grand, although the monthly payment is only a hundred bucks. I can't really say why I'm paying on a third lot, other than it's half the distance to town as the paid for lot, on a county road, and I only owe a bit over two grand on it. It seems a small price to pay to combine the benefits of the other two lots. But I'm looking at moving the trailer one of these days, more than likely. I can't see the economy still being viable in the six more years I'm paying on the present lot. And if I must move if I become unemployed and can't afford rent, I can't have any permanent structures ( not to mention it gives me a small thrill not to pay the extra taxes ).
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The problem with gutting the insides is that while you remain mobile you are going to be faced with quite an expense ( not as much as the outside structure but nothing to sneeze at ). If you replace the cabinets you've removed it really adds up. And with my minimal skills at carpentry ( I've finally gotten to the point I don't bend every single nail I hammer in ) it would take a long time. As I'm living in wreckage. Another option I considered was my Hippie Bread Van. I could frame the interior and insulate it a lot easier. And while I don't mind living in a eighty square foot box as long as I have someplace else to store all my crap, I don't think the cats would have liked being so confined. I already feel bad for keeping them indoors, but at least they have thirty feet to run back and forth in. You think that's bad, I bought a van to move from Florida to Nevada just for the cats. Sure, we planned on living in it if needed and it was transportation but we could have taken an airplane and replaced what had been left behind for about twenty percent of the cost. And that wasn't even the cats I have now, it was a different pair. Spoiled little bastards, I hope they love me. What can I say? A pet gives you companionship with few demands, unlike certain other types like spouses.
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So, not being confined in my thinking like others who insist things have to look nice and be perfect, I decided to install ghetto insulation. I spent one half of Saturday trying to find an upholstery store, stoped at the carpet place, went to Home Depot. I pretty much knew what I wanted so I checked prices. Carpet padding or foam pads. The carpet padding was too expensive and too flimsy for wall or ceiling mounting. It would have fallen to pieces. I couldn't find an open upholstery place. So I winged it and bought rolls of the foil faced bubble wrap at Home Depot. Twenty bucks for two by twenty five. I also picked up a heavy duty stapler and a few thousand staples. I could have glued, but like I said, this was a ghetto based operation and looks were far less important than function. I went to Wal-Mart and bought out all their bed foam mattresses. I'm sure it is less effective than the real stuff I could have got at an upholstery place but I was on a mission from God and I couldn't fail.
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Last I went to my workplace on the thrift store side and bought thirty used blankets and a spare foam pad they had. I was now in the hole for four hundred bucks. I had just sold my lot in Arkansas for five hundred, half what the other lots nearby were going for but a little over what I bought it for. It was a win/win. A give a loyal minion a deal and I can easily afford to insulate my trailer. I might never see the land but I would be in this trailer come next winter. By the way, if anyone is interested, I will sell the other two lots for at or below cost ( the decision to sell the first one kind of broke the dam and ruined the magic of my real estate empire ). Northeast middle Arizona, thirty minutes to St. Johns or Show Low. Absolutely in the middle of no where. A "town" is five miles away although I imagine it is only a gas station. Surface water is fifteen miles away. The East Texas lot is five miles from Gun Barrel City. Dirt road alongside with utilities, just down the road from a lake. The main problem there is the local unemployment rate is twice the national average. Both claim to be trailer lots. I can't guarantee anything, it was site unseen. Part of the price is you figure out how to do the paperwork transferring the deed from me to you. You send papers, I sign, you own it. Don't ask me how it is done, I have no idea. I think they sell real estate paperwork bundles at office supply places, or look up in a book in the library. I think the deed papers are simple blanks you fill in the names and amounts, county, state and parcel numbers. But, if you want them cheap, you do the homework. I'll supply county and parcel numbers on request.
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I worked all weekend and I'm about half way done. It takes a lot of time to empty out every nook and cranny, insulate and fill back in. I can't believe the amount of junk I have piled into the trailer. The north side wall got most of the foam pads. On the two windows I won't need to open I stapled up the foam and then blankets over them. Hopefully it will be enough to keep the windows from dripping condensation. The living room I took up the wool carpet with foam pad underneath and added a half roll of fiberglass pink insulation ( it was lying around, got it free ). You can imagine how bulky and lumpy it now is, but I'm tired of cold feet. The last of the foam went into my cabinets where I keep books. The rest is blankets and bubble wrap foil. The first day I got the living room done and most of the windows ( windows get foil ). Just that alone gave me an extra ten degrees, doubling the old insulation's value ( if it is thirty outside in the morning, it used to be forty inside. Now it is fifty- that's how I rate my insulation [ and recall I don't run the heat at night so its trapped solar and propane heat ] ). Sunday I added blankets to all my outside storage compartments, finished the interiors on the north side and finished the last window covering as well as under the tub and half the hallway. That added another five degrees. I still have the south facing walls and interiors of cabinets to do as well as all the ceilings outside of the living room. Even if I only get another five degrees, I'll be happy. From ten degrees above outside temps to thirty. That is a vast improvement.
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Yes, it looks ghetto. Foam pads, different colored blankets, lumpy floors, no uniform material ( it flows from blanket to foam to foil and back again ). Random staples. But, I'm building a cocoon. Cheaply. Remember that 80/20 rule. Pause to be jealous.
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25 comments:

Anonymous said...

It is strange that in your pasts writting you have said that you have tons of wheat. Just by putting those boxes /cans, along the walls, shoud have giving you some sort of insulation. What happened?..Did the wife took half of all that weed..Oops.sorry. (i meant) wheat?.

Anyhoo I just got 20 acres in a semi-populated area, 10 miles from town, for $ 4,000.00....I guess , times are getting really bad for some people.

Summer is coming. keep your cool.

Anonymous said...

James it sounds like a you created a real firetrap. Just don't invite Great White over for any parties and you might survive.

If you get tired of the super ghetto look you might consider the slightly less ghetto look and use the pink rigid foam board insulation panels. I am not sure if they would be any more fire resistant but you could paint them which might help a bit.

Anonymous said...

After living soo many years in a trailer, you now trying to insulate it.?????

C'mon, someone is just bullshitting.

You better come up with a good one James.

Anonymous said...

A giant piece of clear plastic draped over the entire trailer would help to for a very low cost. You won't be winning any beauty contest but it is cheap and functional.

Anonymous said...

Jim, did you ever skirt your trailer? Might be better than a lumpy floor.

Also, did you consider "Tenting" you trailer, or would that be just too outrageous for the neighbors. That is, you can cover you trailer with a heavy truck tarp (or tarps) which can be done with any number of configurations. The idea is that you produce a wind break. The more sophisticated variety is to make a large tarp tent with closed ends. Not really that hard to do, fairly cheap, and saves a lot of propane.

Anonymous said...

And put in a damn wood stove. There must be some crap or scraps you can find to burn down there. Phone books, old boxes, old furniture, and on and on and on. You even have a nice stove listed on your amazon page.

Also Costco has some nice parking shelters that would help to keep the heat off the trailer for summer time. In fact leave it up all year put the sides on in the winter. You would need two since they are only 20ft long.

Anonymous said...

What about building a temporary structure compromised of straw bales, you could then dismantle and move it with your trailer when/if you have to move again. Granted it will take some work and a little coin but the insulative properties of strw bales can aproach an R50 value.

Shy Wolf said...

I dunno, James- but I think it might've been cheaper to buy foam insulation sheets from Home Depot (or whatever is in your neck of the woods) and tack that in place. Rigid foam ain't that expensive, very easy to cut with a butter knife, affords flat surfaces, is paintable, takes up little space for the R value it affords. Not to mention, one helluva lot less work hauling- they're feather light.
Well, to each our own, I guess.
Shy III

Shy Wolf said...

Dang, Anon2.00... twenty acres for four grand...where ARE you, that's some really cheap land. Damn, wish I'd run into a deal like that!
Shy III

-Humongous said...

Pause to be jealous?

That is pure comic genius. I didn't laugh out loud, or roll around on the floor, but still, comic genius. Maybe even coSmic genius. Jury's still out.

I think you might could do worse than to ad a disco ball to that rich tapestry you are weaving. On the surface, without reading anyone else's (jealous) comments, this business of retro-insulating a trailer with scrap product is totally fucking asinine. But then I don't have a little trailer. I have a decent sized house (that needs more insulation :-). But to each his own. What you do makes sense in a... a coSmic sort of way. Cold feet is cold feet, eh rot? But I got to tell you, in Africa, when it hits 120, and your ass is 30 more (per your own admission), it's gonna suck, no doubt about it. I look for your cats to bail on you.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a trailer is just a money pit.

Anonymous said...

Well, really sounds GHETTO, but James picked the materials he could afford and felt he could work with, and is at least 15 degrees warmer...

"I have a decent sized house"... me too: a fucking worthless money pit with humongous taxes. thanks to the sniveling little shits who vote for endless waste and monuments to meglomania and think the other guy has to pay for it. i hope the dumb shits starve to death...

"The lesson should be that the government is not here to help"

i guess every anarchist knows the government is here to protect the ruling class and the big corporations from their victims...

do you want clean water and clean air for your children, eco-terrorist ?

do you want to kill sand-niggers for big oil, soldier ?

oh! you don't want a drink, or watch TV, or get a STD ? what a sicko wacko you are....

Anonymous said...

Greetings of pure light, my brothers and sisters.

As the earth continues to crumble, we must strive to fulfill our destiny that being orbs of loving compassion.

I go forth into the forest and am saddened by the weeping of the trees. I try my best to comfort their fears but it may be all for naught. Their prophecy is simple:

"Cease the destruction of Gaia. Woe is to those that find mirth as the the rivers run red."

I say to you- abandon your weapons, embrace your fellow human, give freely your stockpile, and the Exalted Ones will offer you protection and safe passage.

I leave you now with blessings and hope. The New Age is upon us, the ladle overflows with the nectar, the song will be sung by the promised ones.

Earthmaster

coal said...

been living up here in Ontario Canada in a trailer for over ten years now, you can stay warm, having a trailer that is a bit better than the average rv crap, goes a long way in staying warm. keep it out of the wind and skirt the trailer helps alot, I have a blog about rving all seasons up in the cold north,
http://rvallseasons.blogspot.com/ you might some info that you could apply to your situation???
anyhow good post

-Humongous said...

Hey there, Jim. I figure it's safe this late in the comments to air a private theory of mine. Don't worry- I don't think anyone reads the tail end. That's why I usually post here. I'm thinking I know who Earthmaster is. I don't think it's a New Age fruitcake. I don't think it's a troll trying to find a new identity. I think it's you. Is there a prize for figuring this out? Can I have an acre of your African spread? And speaking of African spreads, have you given any thought as to finding a new old lady there? Hey... no joke. Eddie Murphy did. If I remember correctly, he called her a goony-goo-goo-bitch. He said the big advantage to having one of these ladies as your betrothed was that they aren't corrupted by the American materialistic spirit... well, maybe not in so many words. Here, I've found the link with a description:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts4sEBb2K3s

Okay, I got the goony-goo-goo part wrong. But the rest is dead on. Don't worry about the gift of an acre. I'm thinking Africa is too arid for me. I'm starting to think I want my retreat to be in a cold weather environ. Maybe the Great Lakes region. Maybe... Detroit?

Anonymous said...

Earthmaster I think they laced your bud with something a little more potent.

Anonymous said...

For a while now I've been toying with the idea of living in a greenhouse or at least having part of it attached to the house. One that can be dismantled or at least separated from the house in summer. Someone else wrote about draping the van in clear plastic. You could probably just peg it down at the corners and put a few loose bricks here and there to keep it down in most conditions. Try it out for a few weeks. If its no good its easy to take down, if you like it you could work on a better design.

Anonymous said...

Earthmaster LISTEN CAREFULLY! I am not your Brother and certainly not your sister. Don't give me that we are all brothers and sisters bull shit, you are a piece of crap and I do not give a shit if you live or die, but Please DIE soon.

Anonymous said...

Earthmaster,
Show us your tits.

Mayberry said...

I'd insulate the crap out of the van, sleep in that in winter, just use the trailer for storage/shower/bathroom/cooking in....

Stephanie in AR said...

I'd worry about flammability too, foam goes up incredibly fast. Insulation also helps keep the heat out & this summer will test that too.

A long while back when I was a kid and the MEN was written by those that are doing someone wrote in about making a window box heater. They took some tin (the wavy kind) painted it black. This was used to make the bottom and sides to a long rectangle. The top of the rectangle was made with old windows. They opened up a window, leaned the box up against it, at an angle to best use the sun and collected the heat. Of course they sealed it so no cold air could creep in & the window could be closed at night or on days with no sunshine. Perhaps something similiar would work with your abode. Add a dark hose and you could have hot water too. It could be unhook and carried along too. Just an idea.

Anonymous said...

Mayberry is a prick.

Hoozyrdady said...

I understand your working on a budget here, but maybe a long term goal could be buying a steel building kit just big enough to park your trailer in and close off one end.
You can assemble it yourself, and take it down if/when you relocate.
They are not cheap, but like I said - Long Term Goal.
One thing I'm going to try myself is build a few solar heater boxes for my home windows. Here's a good example - http://www.jrwhipple.com/sr/solheater.html
Carry on.

Anonymous said...

Just found your site. We are full timers too, Remember that each person puts off about 1 gal of water vapor a day. Remember to open a vent or window, a little while each day, to keep the humidity down. Then you won't have to worry about mold or a water weight issue (think moisture ladden insulation) if you move.

Here is something that looks interesting.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green-Homes/1984-01-01/A-Thermal-Envelope-Trailer.aspx

theotherryan said...

Glad your place will be warmer.