COMMON CALIBER
I love weapons myself. A closet full of food gives you a nice security blanket, and a rifle with sufficient ammunition adds wonderfully to that. It is hard to get too worked up about very many things with those tools providing the basic necessities ( yada, yada, blah, blah, I include water purification or storage in with food, so don't have a kitten on me please ). Yet, I never have too much to say on the subject. You buy your war surplus rifle, its ammo, a couple of bayonets and if you are old and have bad eyes you add a scope. Not too much else to say on the subject. I have a Lee reloader and bullet mold and a butt load of primers. And I don't do gunsmithing. Again, not a lot of subject matter there. I prefer to talk about food. To me it is a much more important topic. Yes, you need weapons to defend your food but you also can't get many calories from an M-16 magazine. However, I am such a friggin nice guy that Baby Jesus himself has dropped a lot of hints my way that I'm his favorite. So I try to give my loyal minions what they want and occasionally yak away about something weapons related. Last week I bought a copy of Backwoods Home Magazine, since the new copy of Backwoodsman hasn't come out yet and I was Jonesing. I much prefer Man to Home but obviously I had $6 burning a hole in my pocket so I bought the damn thing. Their article on the ammo drought inspired this article.
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I've always hated the article of faith amongst survivalist that you simply must have military and common calibers for your arsenal. This should come as no surprise to you since I find almost nothing that is militarily useful carries over to survivalists. I won't rehash those, to your obvious relief. A round simply needs to be effective. Granted, it shouldn't be so obsolete and scarce that you need to spend a lot of money having a specialty shop fabricate the cases, but to parrot what is most popular isn't necessary. I wouldn't carry 9mm. And the only good I see the .223 serving is for a medium distance sniper harassment round. It makes a great assault round, but I don't plan on being that close if I can help it. And if I'm not that close, I don't need semi-automatic. So then I don't need a .308 either. I'm just fine with a .38/.357 in revolver and any thirty caliber for rifle.
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The recent drought in ammunition should underscore the need to be slightly different and not carry what everyone else does. It stands to reason that if every Joe Blow wants to stockpile ammunition in case Uncle Obammy bans all guns or if the economy finally does the final revolution around the toilet bowl before going down the pipe that if everyone is after 308 and 45 than you have a much better chance finding 303 and 38. Duh. But wait, you scream in righteous indignation as you caress your AR-15 against your crotch, if you capture the enemies ammunition you need to use it in your weapon ( or get more ammo for his weapon you took ). That worked great for the freedom fighters in Afghanistan in the 80's as they traded in their much better Lee-Enfields for inferior AK's. Personally I think it was more a status symbol thing for them. Look, Habeeb, I am a mighty superior warrior and I personally killed a Soviet and took his weapon ( he doesn't mention that he peacefully traded the infidel alcohol for the carbine ). I have a hard time believing you would want to trade in a long range rifle you used growing up for an unfamiliar poodle shooter. Surely Pakistan could provide them all the 303 ammo they needed. But, let's just take it at face value and call it enemy supply.
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The problem is that the military is most likely facing a worse resupply problem than the survivalist. Our friendly prepper has oodles and gobs of ammunition plus lots of reloading supplies. The military has a fixed amount on hand and pretty much adheres to the just in time inventory nonsense everyone has bought into. I don't know if anything has changed, but I recall in my tour that every year every unit had to burn off all their ammunition because any left over that carried over into the next fiscal year meant that much was subtracted from the budget. Assuming this is still the case, most units will have very little ammo on hand ( I don't have any idea how much a combat unit has. Our unit was rear area support and I seem to recall very few rounds being allocated to each person at the end of the year-it certainly wasn't enough to stay proficient with and they were trying to fill the need with the M-16 simulator ). As a whole, if combat units are added to the average, I can't imagine every soldier being capable of carrying a rifle having that much ammunition. Even if the amount is thousands rather than hundreds, the spray and pray doctrine will eat through those numbers quickly.
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Another consideration is using the weapon on hand. If you already own a weapon that isn't totally useless like a pot metal pimp pistol like a .25 caliber, you should stick with it regardless of caliber. A less than perfect caliber is compensation for the insane weapons prices currently. You can buy a lot of strange ammo for the price of a gun. So, you don't want to compete for limited ammunition, the military will run out of ammo before you do and can't resupply you, and you might not want to waste the money buying another gun.
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Tuesday, June 30, 2009
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why not one gun that shoot multiple calibers??? .38/.357/9mm
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=308&return=Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeEl9wZyabc
I have seen several videos on using the Lee Loader
This is the best by far.
The Load, cost of components, trajectory
http://www.icehouse.net/fgrig/gun/REDDOT.TXT
excerpts
"The velocities obtained with 13 grs. of Red Dot appear mild, but "The Load" is no pipsqueak! In a case like the .308 or .30-'06, you get (from a 24" sporter barrel) about 1450 f.p.s. with a 200 gr. cast bullet, 1500 with a 170-gr., or 1600 with a 150-gr. cast load. "The Load" is fully comparable to "yesterday's deer rifle", the .32-40, and provides good expansion of cheap, soft alloys (10-13 BHN) at woods ranges. Jacketed bullet velocities
with "The Load" are about 120-150 f.p.s. less than a lubricated lead bullet of the same weight. "
and " Wheelweights also work well, as do soft "Scheutzen" alloys such as 1:25 tin/lead. in bores of 8 mm or larger. "The Load" drives soft-cast .30-cal. to 8 mm bullets fast enough to get expansion, but
without fragmenting. These out-penetrate factory .30-30
softpoints, and kill medium game up to 150 lbs. well at short ranges up to 100 yards, when placed accurately. In medium and large bores like the .375 H&H or .45-70, "The Load" gives typical black powder ballistics for the bore. A 255-265 gr. cast bullet in the .375 H&H approximates the .38-55 at 1330 f.p.s. Soft 300-
405-gr. cast bullets are pushed at 1300-1350 f.p.s. from a 22" barrel .45-70, sporter are very effective on deer at woods ranges. Cast bullets over .35 cal. do not have to expand appreciably to work well on game if blunt and heavy for their caliber. "
end excerpt
cost of 45-70 cast reloads
components per Midwayusa mar 18 09
IMR4064..1 lb...21.49...129 54 gr...17 c
Red Dot..1 lb .15.79....538 13 gr....3 c
CCI 200 LR primers 1k....27.99.....2.8 c
Buffalo Arms cast bullets
.458 405 FN.....26.99 for 50....54 c
wheelweights
25 cents per lb....17 400 gr/ lb .. 2 c
Buffalo reload
54c bullet
3c powder
3c primer
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60 cents
...wheelweight reloads........
2c bullet ..,.400 gr.....
3c powder..13 gr red dot...
3c primer....CCI 200.....
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8 cents
Learn fields of fire in your AO
24 inches from nose to navel on average man
Truck odometer graduated in 1/10 mi
1/10 = 176 yards
2/10 = 352 yards
per nr 10 Speer loading manual
Marlin 1895 45-70 22" barrel
Speer 400 gr jacketed FN BC .214
MV......100.......200.......300.....400.....500
1700... +8.........poa......-34......-100.....-208
MV........50...100...150....200....250
1300....+5...+6......poa....-14....-38
1000....+9...+10....poa....-21....-54
Ruger Nr 1 22" barrel 45-70
MV......100...150.......200....250
2100....+3.....poa......-6......-16
Rem 700 22" barrel 30-06
Speer 165 gr spitzer BT BC .477
MV......100......200.....300.....400...500
2700....+5.......+6.......poa....-13....-35
SMLE 25" barrel 303 Brit
150 gr spitzer bc 411
mv........100.....200.....300....400....500
2500......+6.......+7........poa...-17....-45
180 gr RN bc .304
mv........50.....100....150....200....250
1500...+3.....+5.......poa....-10......-27
1000....+8.....+9.....poa...-20.......-50
I like common calibers. If I need ammo for my .308, I can borrow it from any of my friends or buy it at any country store. If I need ammo for my .300 Whisper, I'm probably just plain out of luck.
.38spl/.357MAG is a common caliber that was dry on the shelves during the panic wave. 9mm LARGO would be an uncommon handgun caliber. Glück on finding that on any shelf. Rifles are the only firearm that really have uncommon calibers, but I would not want to bet on finding .25-06 on a shelf in a pinch. In fact I have never seen it on a shelf despite the fact many hunters utilize the round in this country in youth rifles for their kids.
"why not one gun that shoot multiple calibers??? .38/.357/9mm"
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those aren't bad, but I wouldn't want to put all my eggs in one basket, if you know what I mean.
Plus, if you've got more than one kind of ammo, having a loaded .38/.357 AND a loaded 9mm is great. Beside the point that Single Action is never going to be more desirable than a double action, even when it comes to wheel guns. A gun that that does double duty for hunting and combat, such as a 3"-4" .357, is much better than a single action that will also handle 9mm AFTER a cylinder change.
Just give me a S&W 686 and a Browning Hi-power or Glock19.
==> I recall in my tour that every year every unit had to burn off all their ammunition because any left over that carried over into the next fiscal year meant that much was subtracted from the budget
I can confirm that one too. I was in the Army (and later National Guard) during the mid 1980's thru the mid 1990's. Initially 11B (Infantry) and later 11C (Mortars).
I remember as October crept up (beginning of the unit's "fiscal year" -- when budgets and allocations for the new year take effect) ... I remember going to the range and popping off hundreds of 4.2 inch mortar rounds. No forward observer, no targets, not shooting at a damned thing -- just point it downrange and burn 'em up. Gotta get rid of 'em all. Everything. Must. Go. !!!!
What a sad waste. The rounds, depending on what they were (HE - High Explosive, WP (Willie Pete (White Phosphorus), ILL - Illumination Flares and some other more "exotic" rounds) and depending on fuse options ... these things cost the Army and you (us, the taxpayer) anywhere between a hundred bucks a pop and four hundred bucks a pop. And we were burning through hundreds just to use 'em up. Multiply that out by a few thousand mortar sections across all mortars (60mm, 81mm, 4.2in) across all units and you're looking at literally TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS **WASTED** each and every year. And that's just mortars. Same thing goes for rifle, pistol, grenades, machine gun, land mine, dragon, TOW, and all the various other ammunition that was in common usage at the time.
What a complete waste.
I would tend to think that if you find "common caliber ammo" you will find "common caliber gun" that goes with them.
But this isn't an excuse not to stockpile !
For handguns .38 special wadcutter appears to be made for frugal survivalists :
- this is the best manstopper among non hollowpoint bullets
- the recoil is just there to let you know you actually fired the gun
- the noise is bearable
- the accuracy is excellent
- you can easily and cheaply cast the bullet from scrap lead
- here (France) you can buy 1000 cases fired once for 10€
- we have a special powder (Vectan BA10) that allows to create ultra-accurate loads. 37€ / 500g (a bit more than a pound) of this powder will give you between 2500 and 3000 loads
- nowadays nobody want wheelguns, so you find them cheap
I see only 2 drawbacks : wheelguns are notoriously slow to reload (yeah I saw the video of the guy that shoots 12 times with a reload under 2s, but can you do that ?) and 38wc is inapropriate for hunting (but you shoud have a long gun for that).
I wish I found the same magical caliber for long gun !
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