GREEN SHOOTS ON THE CLIFF
Sorry about yesterday's hoard/horde misuse. I learn the hard way as I go along these minor errors that make me look like more of an idiot than some of you already think I am. I already told you about the loyal minion lesson when I confused lose and loose. I don't remember the exact words, something about not wanting the old lady loose. That was too funny. What can I tell you, I never got higher edumication. Okay, this morning I was reading the daily article at http://www.oftwominds.com/blog.html ( which was dated the 24th ) and I was quite impressed. You know if I'm impressed ( when the whole world DOES revolve around me thank you very much so I think my writing is better than anyone else ) it is a good article. I'm actually taken with his articles on a regular basis. This should be on your daily reading list. I won't rehash the article, you should read it. My point here is that when I was done with it my first thought was that this would be ammunition for some green shoots. Even though the article clearly stated the dangers of this strategy as well as the benefits.
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As things have been failing for some time, and as those failures get worse every few months, and as we continue to make or break Great Depression records of collapse, almost no one can deny that we are in a crap storm of giant proportions. Most people don't want to face up to the fact that we might indeed be in for a collapse, the end of western civilization. So they are compromising. They can't ignore the problem. It can't be wished away. So the de facto fall back argument is that we are in for a long slow collapse. That way they can have their collapse and their cushy standard of living based on mass consumerism and unprecedented luxuries too. I'm not saying that the slow collapsers are wrong and I am right about a quick collapse. What I am thinking is that we have already seen the long slow collapse part and we are slowly approaching the cliff edge where we will suddenly without warning fall off.
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The above mentioned article was about our occupation of the oil region. It got me thinking that this would compel the Cassandras to think we can hang on for a long time since this is true. But my bet would be on this grace period already having been enjoyed and passed by. The benefits are not to be seen now in order to save us but have already been at work. We've occupied the strategic heartland of Arabian oil for over six years. Global Peak Oil has been going on for four years ( remember what I said about a nation would not burn food for fuel if a decrease wasn't happening? ). Now, I don't know how long the global petroleum peak production plateau will last, but I don't think we can hope for very much longer given the recent records. And remember, the downside of the bell curve is pretty steep. One good reason that the lower 48 oil figures have slowly declined over three decades is that prior to peak the Texas Railroad Commission regulated production at a low level that extended most fields lives. Saudi Arabia has done a lot to damage their fields and will fall much quicker ( if you can slog through it, "Twilight In The Desert" does an excellent job debunking the Saudis As Saviors myth ).
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All historical examples of population crash have been agricultural economies. The examples of two hundred to three hundred years of crash duration were based on soil depletion and weather and conquest on a long drawn out time scale. All through the history of agriculture overpopulation, famine and die-offs were normal. They could rebound, recuperate, carry on. Unless one series of misfortunes after another kept hitting the same group. That took time. Petroleum Man will die in a much more compressed time period because oil field depletion happens quickly. And petroleum feeds almost all of us. Just because we occupy the lands that produce the last of the oil doesn't mean spit. For one thing, look at how easy it has been to sabotage the Iraqi production. I think the main effect was simply to deny our enemies the oil rather than get it for ourselves. So our cliff face is in the same spot and we got no where building a bridge over the chasm.
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I'm coming up on a year here in Elko. Look, you triumphantly point out, Jim panicked way too early. I have plenty of time to drive my SUV and live in my mortgaged house and work for XYZ corporation. I can get out before it all turns to a big steaming pile of dung. Let me ask you this. How much easier is it going to be to talk the wife into moving off grid in another year? If we are worse off but still limping along, she will pull out the green shoots argument again, just as you are doing now. And by the time it is obvious to both you and her that things won't return to normal you will have lost all the assets needed to move. If we have already been through years and years of long slow collapse, how close is the cliff edge? You can move as slow as you wish towards that cliff, but once over you can't control the speed. Who cares if you are a year or three early? Almost any gardener/farmer you talk to will tell you how many multiple harvests it takes to become proficient. I had to go through a miserable winter ( remember the normal twenty two degrees inside I bitched about? ) before I insulated the trailer. Not because I didn't know it would be a good idea but because these things take time. Getting settled isn't instant ( it can be close, a topic more another day ), it takes trial and error in everything you do from energy use to sewage to transportation.
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Y2K was the only potential disaster we were ever going to have a calender for. No one knows for sure when it will be too late. But you do need to know your history before you guess the future. Make sure we haven't been in a collapse before you figure we have plenty of time to go.
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Thursday, June 25, 2009
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Wretha is in trouble! Call to action! http://wretha.blogspot.com/2009/06/i-was-right-now-what.html
Oops, forgot to get follow up comments....
We are years away from a total collapse,we may even pull out of this mess,it is possible. Moving to a remote location and giving up my job is out of the question.I don't think you can convince anybody to give up the comforts of "western society" until TSHTF.
Mayberry,Call to action? No thanks.
Biguns, so you will sit idly by as one by one, voices are silenced? You may think collapse will not happen, and that's your decision, but if you value comfort over Freedom, then I think you've got a serious problem.... This nation is on the road to totalitarian dictatorship, and opposing voices are being labelled as "domestic terrorism". It won't be long before free speech is a distant memory. Stand now, or bend over, the choice is yours. I know what I'm going to do, and it sure as hell ain't bending over. Freedom ain't free, you gotta fight for it, one way or another....
Mayberry you are full of shit. Nothing is going to happen.
Tell me exactly what you plan to do ? Shoot somebody ? Run your mouth ? What ?
Go ahead and fight the feds,you will go to prison and then they will bend you over.
Biguns, I hope you're right, but I doubt it. What am I gonna do? Run my mouth for damn sure! If "they" shut my mouth, then Freedom is dead. Shoot somebody? Only if forced to do so... Your last sentence illustrates perfectly that we're living in a totalitarian police state. The feds have no reason to fight me, other than for what I say, which is nothing our Founding Fathers didn't say. If they fight me for that, then yes, I will fight back. And I'll fight for anyone else who's free speech is squelched. Including yours....
So what are you going to do ?
It depends on the particulars of the situation. It could be something as simple as writing a Senator or Congressman, maybe going to the media (for what it's worth...), or..... Maybe more drastic measures will be called for....
Maybe more drastic measures will be called for....
Join a militia and stock up on KY jelly? Go for it.
As to living in a totalitarian police state,give me a break.
Whatever.....
Writing a Senator or Congressman or going to the media?
You say we live in a totalitarian police state and you want to write them ? That will work.
You don't trust the MSM yet you expect them to help you ? Fat chance.
Well I guess I'll just have to shoot the f*ckers then. Is that what you wanted to hear? I'm a reasonable guy, and though I don't trust any of those outlets you mention, I will exhaust them before resorting to anything drastic..... I tire of arguing with you. Have a nice life....
Fighting the feds will get you killed,bad choice.
Anyway, i don't know about this "gotta move off grid now" thinking.
Hey, when the current collapse intensifies, the homestead will stop having grid hook-ups. seems a lot easier to stay put and wait for the grid to disintegrate than go thru the travails and expense of a move.
After all, this house was built way before plumbing and electric, so I can just ignore the outlets and light fixtures, maybe even plaster over them someday.
Now get away from those leaf blower thingys, now your talking. I won't go into those wack job neighbors who have a dueling banjo-like contest every week to see who has a leaf free driveway...
Really, they call that "gettin' a life" ? Can you say "gene pool" and "cull" in the same sentence ?
American preppy and Barney Fife called me a retarded leach over at the ventriloquist station.Boo Hoo.That hurt.OK,I'm retarded but a leach ? Why am I a leach?I work,I pay taxes,I don't recieve food stamps or any other type of government welfare.I've worked hard for everything I own and I like it that way.I take care of my family.I was honorably discharged from the army.I've served my country.I prepare for bad times,I'm ready.Why am I a leach ?
I guess a leach isn't entitled to have its own opinion,Mayberry wants everybody to conform to his way of thinking.Freedom of speech is great as long as it conforms to Mayberry's warped thinking,otherwise you're a retarded leach.Mayberry the decider,he knows what's best for america.You guys act like you're saving america ,when in fact you're just running your mouths.
Sorry Barney Fife you ain't gonna nip me in the bud.Nip it ! Nip it ! Nip it ! Ain't happening.I'll form my own opinions and do as I please.
I am glad some people can think the collapse "ain't happening". Also, I am glad that there are still people who feel secure enough that they believe it's not going to happen to them. The problem is that for millions of people, it is happening, all over the world and right here in the USA. Losing jobs and homes, moving in with relatives, being homeless, living in tents and cars, etc. In the world, a fantastic number of 1 billion people are going hungry. For them, the drought isn't happening someone else. It's happening to them. It does occur to me that it can happen to me. I have already taken in relatives who are now living in my basement, hopefully not for long. They don't want to be in my basement. They want to work and restart their lives. They are fundamentally good and hard-working people. We all hope the "Green Shoots" will become mighty trees.
Still, I take Jim Dakins "Chicken Little" rantings seriously. However, I still can't see the advantage of going out in the middle of nowhere on junk land without water and living in total misery unless I actually absolutely "have to".
In the modern world of television, shopping malls, and mass produced everything collapse can be obscured and ignored by many. This is because we are all able to dress in close to the same manner so the poor or recent victims of collapse look like everyone else. The unemployed sit at home in front of computers or reading in the peace and quiet for now. So they are not seen as in earlier times.
You will know that collapse has come when it comes to you. And it will in one form or another. This nation does not have the means to return to the earlier boom times. In fact for a great many the recession of 2000-2001 never ended. Imagine that. Did you notice it, did it affect you?
Moving our manufacturing out, collapsing our dollar, importing millions of low wage workers, ignoring immigration laws, this is a recipe for disaster and that is what is unfolding in front of you right now.
Maybe you still have job and have made no changes in your life style so far, do you really think that will continue or do you tell yourself you are safe because that is more comforting than the reality that you are not in control ?
You can have your wages cut tomorrow, or your job can be eliminated, or health issues can over whelm you none of these are under your control.
As for losing freedom, sorry you don't have any left to lose. Do you not notice that the bill of rights is ignored when it gets in the way? Contract law is no longer adhered to. Agreements are broken every day and there is nothing you can do about it.
Judges routinely disallow evidence in trials that is needed to prove ones case and there is no recourse.
Obama now wants to detain people they think will be a problem in the future !! Wow if that is not the end of the USA as we have known it what is?
Wake up the collapse will not be on the evening news.
James, c'mon man...do you just enjoy misery?
Although I follow your blog due to the good, low cost ideas you bring up at times you just seem to enjoy intellectual misery. Do not read this as one of those Don't worry, be happy posts but go rent Alone in the Wilderness with Dick Proenneke and really take some time to watch him, does he seem to be in misery? His second DVD Alaska Silence and Solitude is weak in general but the interview with him is priceless, just a jovial guy who is enjoying his solitude, the world lost a good man when he died. He walked away from the oil dominated world for the most part and went off into the wilderness on his own and did it all without electricity or modern conveniences.
So people do not want to 'face up' to decline of life and we are going to run out of oil, so what. All that you can do is pass the word along and keep us informed with good, low cost recommendations and your thread of current events.
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