Friday, July 03, 2009

on relationships

ON RELATIONSHIPS

Great, just what you wanted. An even deeper look at my dysfunctional mind. I share this with you for a variety of reasons. First, Friday is a work holiday. We get the 4th off and since it falls on the weekend we have the 3rd as the paid holiday. I won’t be working through lunch, just the first two hours so I can pick up end of the week food donations. I’m writing this Thursday night and felt the extra time would do justice to the subject. Which ties in with the second reason. I don’t wish to be misunderstood and hope to explain a lot of the reasons behind a lot of my rationales. I can elaborate some of my otherwise flippant, off the cuff remarks. Last, I hope this might help some in their decision making. When I say something like, dump the wife if she won’t buy into prepping, it isn’t that cut and dried of a decision. I admit that the only thing worse than being homeless is being alone and homeless. But if the relationship is already in trouble and most likely can’t be salvaged, it is as good as any a reason for ending the relationship. Perhaps by explaining some of my failures you can see the direction of your marriage and make the needed actions. Not to single out one example for any particular reason other than a selective memory, one writer was hounded by his readers for his on and off struggle to end his marriage. It wasn’t weakness or indecision but the natural reluctance to end a relationship. Who likes to be alone? Especially with hard times coming. Teams can weather the storm easier. Yet when the spouse is reluctant to get on board preparing it becomes a dilemma. I hope this article helps when you are faced with this problem. I never ended a marriage because of the prepping reluctance, but it played a role and made it easier.
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I don’t hate women. And I don’t hate marriage. I love both. Women have natural strengths men need, and visa versa. Women are very pragmatic. Which is both good and bad. When a group has problems getting along, pragmatism leads to politics on the women’s part. To smooth relations. You see a two faced lady who hates another behind her back and is all smiles and kisses to her face. It isn’t being a lying politician, it is getting along with others for group harmony. Men have difficulty with that kind of relationship. On the minus side, despite all the talk of romantic love a women will fall out of love with someone or in love with them for practical reasons ( and women rag on men for only loving them for sex, which is a bit unfair ). Pragmatism is also a survival trait. They do what they must to ensure their offspring get what they need. Men have a hard time getting past logic and idealism. I don’t dislike marriage. I think it is great which is why I tried it four times. It is absolutely vital for raising children. And for mental well being. I am totally against single parents, although I have a hard time placing blame on its practitioners in today’s cultural and political realities. Children need a couple to raise them. My problem with marriage is how it is done today.
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Everyone wants to marry for love, not necessity. They think that love will solve all problems of necessity. Yet, when those are not achievable the relationship will end. Both parties suffer, and the children suffer. If you married for necessity and let love happen later you would be pleasantly surprised later, rather than shocked and dismayed at a later date. I’m not discounting love at first, or instant attraction. I am saying that you shouldn’t follow up on it unless you meet each other needs and expectations first. The old school could be a little harsh and unromantic. She wanted/needed security, a provider. He wants sex. Sex is not all that crazy of a need. The male has enough hormones to impregnate the whole village. By satisfying that need, the wife assures the male stays with her and raises the children. And even if adultery laws seemed to unfairly benefit the male, it had a very real benefit. A man won’t as readily agree to nurture and support offspring unless he knows they are his. And because a women is pragmatic, she knows about the male sexual drive and the need to satisfy it. That is why you have great newlywed sex. Well, today premarital sex is normal, so you get plenty until you get married. So I have a hard time believing a sharp drop in sex is anything other than the female acknowledging the reality that she is rewarded with a provider without any responsibility on her part.
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I don’t think that women should be subservient to men, nor that men are entitled to as much sex as they desire. I do think that an unwillingness on the part of the female should be viewed as a disinterest in the relationship however. A man must continue to provide protection and sustenance to his partner and offspring regardless of desire. So why should a female be given free reign to deny sex according to her desire? Or to put it rudely, the man must bring home the bacon so why should the female be allowed to remain frigid? A relationship is a mutual struggle and should constitute sacrifice on both parties. If a husband is working hard to please his wife, shouldn’t the wife do the same? And, to stay in the current required romantic viewpoint, it has been my experience that once sex drops past a certain point, the love is pretty much shot. No one expects the physical attraction to stay white hot forever, but the female usually needs to expect her drive to fall faster and compensate for that.
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Now, on to my favorite subject. Hating wife #2. I know a lot of you have a hard time buying into my viewpoint that she is pure evil, a minion of Lucifer. You think it is sour grapes, that I begrudge the child support I pay. I don’t begrudge supporting my children, if there was a need. But I put the ex through flight school and she makes enough being a pilot that she has no need of my money other than an extravagant lifestyle. She bleeds me financially simply out of spite, to punish me. She didn’t want me after a point, but I must be punished because I didn’t want her. I don’t even begrudge the money as it is used as a bribe to stay in touch with my kids. I simply think it is wrong to be paying a disproportionate share of my income. If women want total equality they should be shouldering equal responsibility. No, my hatred goes beyond just money. I don’t care that much about money past a certain point of providing basic needs. That is why I value less stress for less pay. I hate her for trying to totally ruin my life. Because money means everything to her, she thinks she is doing me great harm by taking most of mine. But that wasn’t enough for her. She had to do much more.
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What I’m going to share is a bit embarrassing. I wouldn’t bring it up if it didn’t illustrate a point so well. We had tried to get back together several times. I realized I had given up on my kids too easily. That I had been so selfish I wanted out of the relationship and didn’t just give in to her and her demands to stay with my kids. I was feeling guilty. I’m not denying I played a large role in our breakup. Perhaps it was mostly my fault. But I did try again after realizing my mistake. I kept trying, not realizing there was too much water under the bridge. On our last attempt to repair and restart, we made glorious promises to each other and things were okay for about a week. They quickly went to crap of course. On one glorious night, oral sex was offered. Not something she had ever been wild about and the last attempt still brought the total count under one hands worth of fingers ( ladies, I’m not trying to be gross- I have a point here ). Well, wife always had had cold sores. Don’t kiss me right now dear, I have a cold sore. Can you guess what comes next? I get genital herpes within the week. I know it wasn’t from another partner so I can only conclude this was a deliberate assault. Not only did it give her an excuse to once again dump me, now I had a double stigma against me. I was dirt poor and had an STD. Go on about your life now, chump. Good luck finding another mate with those two strikes against you. Yes, it did short circuit a lot of dates from becoming relationships. But I was always forthcoming to a potential partner and in ten years of marriage to #4, I never passed it on to her. Like I said, a bit embarrassing, but it does point out why I hate the ex so much.
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I could go on and on about #2. I’m almost positive she cheated on me, for instance. But I think the above example speaks for the record. But it didn’t make me hate women or marriage. I might be a little less lenient towards shenanigans. I might be a bit quicker to end a relationship once I think the sex barometer points towards a falling out of love on her part. I might be harsher towards other peoples problems putting up with their spouse. But I still hate being alone. I still think relationships are a natural and desired state. I still think culturally our relationships are conducted wrong. I don’t think women are chattel, and should be forced into bed against their will. But I do think a healthy relationship means you make your man happy, even if your desires aren’t always in sync. Just as Unions once helped exploited workers but then overreached with too much power, I think Women’s Lib was once necessary but now does more harm to families than it helps women. I might be old fashioned in some ways, but it serves a good purpose. It strengthens marriage and families. And pointing out that women’s lib is dead after a collapse just means we go back to a more pragmatic way for raising families and keeping marriages strong enough to provide the time honored support structure prior to the government welfare state. Lifetime marriages, three generational families under one roof, etc. You would think females would approve, once the PC blinders of FemiNazism are removed.
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25 comments:

coal said...

Don't know too many couples that are happy and content in their marriages. Even my own is stressful at times. Would I do it again, no way. I only know one couple that has made it past 20 years.
Too much liability on a unsure bet, know what I mean??
Trying to instill into my teenager, no kids and no marriage till after your 30.

Most guys tell a story of woe, and the women the same. At close to 50 now, I am thinking that man and women are not destined to be together for life. Maybe 5 or 10 year marriage contracts??

theotherryan said...

Interesting stuff. Not sure if I would be inclined to take 'advice' from you in this field parse but the conversation is thought provoking none the less. Eww on the genital herpes. Not sure why you decided to share that, wish you had not done so.

HermitJim said...

I think that you and I have been down the same road for a lot of reasons...I have been there at the alter 4 times myself.

Luckily, I am blessed enough to be able to forget the bad ladies in my life, and hope for their sake they have been able to do the same.

Like the saying goes 'I'll never forget old Whats-Her-Name!"

Good post...

James m Dakin said...

Ryan, not something that comes up at cocktail parties, believe me. Not something I usually share. But I think it does perfectly illustrate how evil wife #2 was to deliberately infect me. I don't think you can relate to my hate without all sorrid details, warts and all-ha ( thankfully not warts, but I have to pun ).

Maitreya said...

I always enjoy insight into someone else's dysfunctional mind.
By understanding where someone is "coming from" it is much easier to communicate well. And sometimes it makes my own dysfunctions not seem so bad.
Sorry I called you misogynistic. It is very easy to be jaded and wary once you've been screwed over enough times. I totally understand that. Just last week I was making similar comments, such as men were good for nothing more than a piece of ass.
Now I didn't really mean that, but since I have felt trapped in some relationships where I not only was a breadwinner, but also the cook, the maid, the laundress, etc. I can be bitter about how much men contribute to a relationship. (I wasn't 'getting any' at the time either)
I agree that women can be two faced, and it is the major reason I distrust most other females. I prefer honest communication. Not confrontation, but calm discussion about why a disagreement exists and what to do about it.

I think my misogynistic comment came from the general wordview you seem to buy into and assumptions you seem to make; that people must be dominated, violence is human nature, and a population of people will continue to expand beyond it's resource base.
To me those seem to be assumptions that are based on our currently male-dominated world structure.
They are accurate enough, for the lives we currently lead, but if we want things to get better we need to work on challenging those assumptions.
Once upon a time, people worshipped goddess energy; the energy of the earth and of creation. Women were deeply respected for the role they play in creating new life, and life itself was treasured and respected.
It is difficult to rationalize dominating other humans and the natural world when all life is sacred, and almost unthinkable to do violence to other life.
I'm not promoting that we all turn into radical vegan woman worshipping pacifists, but I think we can all stand to treat each other, our food, and our natural world with a lot more respect.
If we work WITH each other and our environment things can be a lot different; a lot better.
Lets face it. As humans exist now, we're all pretty much f*cked in the head.
I suppose it is easy for me to disagree with the generalization that women look for a provider and men look for sex because I don't fit in with either of those stereotypes.
I can provide perfectly well for myself, thank you, and very often my relationships started to go downhill because HIS interest in sex was waning. (my libido is abnormal, for a female)
But I can understand where that idea came from, how it seems to operate pretty consistently in our culture, and how it may even be hardwired into our genetics.

Because our world currently operates on these ideas of control and domination, women use sex to control. It is one of the few effective 'weapons' women have in their arsenal.
The idea that something so wonderful as sex should be used as a weapon is terrible, but given the choice between being controlled/dominated and using whatever means necessary to avoid being dominated and gain control, the choice is pretty clear.

I see the institution of marriage as another control system. I agree that children should not be raised by a single parent, but I don't think I am designed to be monogamous for life, and I don't like the idea of anyone "owning" me, which is what marriage amounts to in my mind.

"I still think culturally our relationships are conducted wrong."

I completely agree with that statement.
We need to find better ways to relate to each other and to the natural world. Ways that are based on cooperation and respect instead of control and domination.

I once had a bumper sticker that said "Subvert the dominant paradigm".
I'm still working on it, but I think a major reason why I am who I am is to help challenge assumptions that do us harm and to change the world, one mind at a time.
We are all broken. I'm trying to find ways to fix it.

bigunsfan said...

My wife and I have been together since September 5,1987. We have five children and we still love each other.

I think you're right about the sex barometer thing.A lot of our friends have divorced.Most women lose interest in sex and the husband finds a younger sex partner.If your sex life is lacking then it's time to start packing.

My wife is German,she's not into women's lib or any other kind of modern crap.She is remarkable.My wife does all of the housework,takes care of the kids and makes me happy. She enjoys cooking and can bake anything.I would marry her again in a heartbeat.

I think 99% of American chicks are spoiled rotten,I'm glad I have my Schatzilein and I wouldn't trade her for anything.

Next time around try a German gal,you won't be disappointed. Blasen ? Lecken ? Ficken ? Kein problem. I'm always happy.

cj428 said...

For thousands of years White males did not marry until they were in thier mid 20's to early 30's. white females married between 14 and 16. If you can not understand the logic of males not marrying to they were established and could support A family. Check to see if you have your shoes on the correct feet. The purpose of getting married was to raise A family, not to have frequent sex. This was the norm not the exception. Although the white race has always been the minority race, it has been the dominent race on the planet. When Whites abandoned these values, We became like all the rest of the heathen savages.

bigunsfan said...

cj428

You stupid son of a bitch.Racist asshole.

Where do these fucktards get these fucked up ideas? "heathen savages"

My black nephew is a great kid,he has good parents.I love him.

cj428 make the world a better place and leave.

cj428 said...

Bigunsfan has proven my point. He can't present A coherent arguement without resorting to vulgarity. He has declared himself god. It's okay to commit adultry,because members of his family engage in the pratice. He has probably spent 13 years in goverment Indoctrination centers and walked away with A thrid grade education. Repeating goverment propaganda dose not make it true. I have an eight grade education, an associte degree in engineering, and A journeymans card. I know it's not polite to "lord it" over the uneducated, but cretins like bigunsfan make it irresistible, and easy.

houstonmom said...

Ohhhh, this makes me want to cry. I think the big problem with marriage is our society's view of love. Most view it as a feeling. However, feelings come and go. But when our society viewed love as commitment, more marriages stayed together. You had to work it out for economic and society reasons. And it took 2 for this to work.

Yesterday I celebrated my 16 yr anniversary. One thing I had to change was expectations. Stop thinking about what he could do for me and what I could do for him.

And I do think feminism has been a killer for marriage, men, women and children. I used to be a feminist. There's nothing wrong with two people providing needs for each other. Being extremely independent was draining. I'm much happier in a partnership where I depend on him and he on me.

Thanks for sharing.

bigunsfan said...

cj428 5:11 AM

Bigunsfan has proven my point. -Glad to help you out.

He can't present A coherent arguement without resorting to vulgarity. -You don't like vulgarity? Listen uh uh uh well Fuck you.Oh my virgin ears!

He has declared himself god.-I am god,go to hell.

It's okay to commit adultry,because members of his family engage in the pratice.-Only with your mother and only if I get sloppy seconds.

He has probably spent 13 years in goverment Indoctrination centers and walked away with A thrid grade education.- I'm surprised you were able to spell Indoctrination. C'mon admit it,you had to look that one up.

Repeating goverment propaganda dose not make it true.-Yes it dose ! Yes it dose ! The government just wants to help everybody out,what's your problem ?

I have an eight grade education, an associte degree in engineering, and A journeymans card.-I believe you.

I know it's not polite to "lord it" over the uneducated, but cretins like bigunsfan make it irresistible, and easy.-That was lording it ? You've been hanging out with too many single white males.

bigunsfan said...

cj428 7:26 PM

For thousands of years White males did not marry until they were in thier mid 20's to early 30's. white females married between 14 and 16.-Bullshit.

If you can not understand the logic of males not marrying to they were established and could support A family. Check to see if you have your shoes on the correct feet.-Bullshit.

The purpose of getting married was to raise A family, not to have frequent sex.-Bullshit.

This was the norm not the exception.-Bullshit.

Although the white race has always been the minority race, it has been the dominent race on the planet.-Racist Bullshit.

When Whites abandoned these values, We became like all the rest of the heathen savages.Racist Bullshit.

bigunsfan said...

Cj428

You are a fucktard !

bigunsfan said...

Cj428

Your "blog" sucks big white boy dicks !

bigunsfan said...

Happy 4th of July !

bigunsfan said...

Some more vulgarity...

Racism.

Maitreya said...

I'm proud to call myself a heathen savage.
Maybe CJ428 likes his woman to just lay there like a bump on a log...
Nah, he probably just rapes them.
If they're 14, even better.

Here's a news flash, dude;
The "dominant white race" is in the process of seriously fking themselves over, and the "heathens" will survive because they can cooperate, not dominate and hate.
Mother Nature gonna bitch slap ya.

Maitreya said...

Just to clarify, I've known feminazis and don't count myself as one of them.
I love to cook (I was taught by a man) and I'd like nothing better than to grow food, put it by, and raise a family in a healthy environment.
There is certainly nothing wrong with two people providing for each others' needs. It might be even better to have a community to help provide for the needs of individuals.
Bigunsfan, yeah. Most American women are really spoiled. Most American men are too. We're all about to get a big reality check.

I can make a man really, REALLY happy. But he's gotta make me happy too.
If he's a two pump chump like CJ here, he gets kicked to the curb pretty quick.

This heathen savage is off to have an orgy with her strong sista's and the men we choose to surround us.

tweell said...

My wife passed away two years ago. I still miss her terribly. We didn't have a perfect union, if indeed such a thing exists, but we held together through joy and pain, sharing the ups and downs of life. Pain is lessened and joy is multiplied with a partner.
A bad marriage is hell on earth, but a good marriage is as close to heaven as it gets. Keep reaching for that brass ring, folks, you may just get a gold one.

Le_Vieux_Fusil said...

Sorry for the poor translation but this blog entry reminds me the saying :

"There are the women that you pay for and that are cheap and there are the other women ..."

G3Ken said...

This thing started out about marriage, so I will begin there as well. My wife and I have over 22 years in the books and, no, things have not always been easy. We've hit a rough patch. right now, primarily because of my screw ups. Most fight are over sex (not an issue as she's not all that interested after all these years and I've gotten used to it....call me crazy, but I do love sex with her, it's just less frequent and her companionship is more imortant!). Another is money. We live on Long Island and earn right at the $200K mark, which ain't a hell of a lot here with kids in private university etc. The third is vices, be it eating, drinking drugs etc. I won't go into mine but suffice it to say it's put a strain on us. It's gonna take a lot of work and hopefully some prayeys from you all.

As for the race issue, we CAN coexist. I'm as white as they get and my wife is a Filipina. The difference ain't color my friends, it's mind set and culture. The NFK Running Back, Travis Henry of the Titans, Bills and Broncos has NINE kids with EIGHT different mothers.Until people start taking resposnibility for their actions, we will regress to the least common denominator. Get off your assess and do something! Take responsibility for your actions, get an education and get on with your life!

Think it can't be done. I went into the Navy at 19 with NO EDUCATION, the Navy trainined me in Radiologic Techology (X-ray tech) and I got out with a starting salary of $40K in 1988!. Now I'm doing MRI and making over $100K. Nobody gave me shit. My wife got a dgree as a Medical Technologist, started a job as soon as we got back to the states and worked he way up to the manager of one of he labs in one of the bigger, if not the biggest, Labs in the US. YOU CAN be successful if you get off your ass and go for it! Start now.

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Doc_Jude said...

"Here's a news flash, dude;
The "dominant white race" is in the process of seriously fking themselves over, and the "heathens" will survive because they can cooperate, not dominate and hate.
Mother Nature gonna bitch slap ya."
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I'm not trying to be racist or anything, but NO ETHNIC GROUP is terribly good at "cooperating" with another, and will seek domination when they can achieve it, & beg for truce or concessions when they are in a weaker position. Trying to say "White People are bad" or "White People are gonna get it now!" is terribly foolish, because it's never really been about one ethnic group over another, but about POWER, economic and otherwise.
You show me one "heathen" group who can and does cooperate with another group, and I'll show you five others who will hunt, enslave, kill, and maybe even eat another "weaker" group. Humans don't cooperate unless they are forced to for survival. That's just the way it is. It's not right or wrong, it's just Nature, survival of the FITTEST. Regardless of color or ethnicity, if you survive, then you survive. People with less melanin thrive in colder more temperate climates while darker skinned people thrive closer to the equator. Food resources close to the equator are typically more plentiful year round, which requires little to no technological advancement from humans living there, while those living in colder climates were required to advance technologically just to perpetuate their portion of the species. By the time they got back together there was a vast disparagement in technological and socioeconomic development.
No one is better or worse, more right or more wrong, but Nature doesn't care about ethics or morals, you do the best you can with what is handed to you and hope that you're in the right place at the right time to survive. The U.S. weathered the Great Depression, what we're experiencing is nothing in comparison. Besides, the Economic Powers That Be wouldn't possibly let things go so bad that they lose control of their little economic Monopoly game.

Maitreya said...

Doc, I think I misused the phrase "heathen savage", or took it in a different context.
I'm about as aryan as they come. Blond hair, blue eyes, breeder hips, big tits.
I call myself a 'heathen savage' because I reject the control systems placed upon us; whether it be religion, government, so called 'free market' or the tyranny of the corporate beast.

So 'heathen' as in earth worshipping and 'savage' as in f*ck this corpgov death machine.

I think color is more or less irrelevant. I could care less about race. I only used the phrase 'dominant white race' in response to CJ.
But who is it that is poisoning our oceans, strip mining our earth, draining our aquifers, clear cutting our forests, and generally completely fcking up the environment, possibly beyond repair?
The ones who are currently in charge.
I don't think TPTB look much farther into the future than getting their next line of coke.
If they've already got a colony set up on Mars and are planning on bailing when TSHTF and our ecosystems collapse, they might make it.
Otherwise, they have already gone too far. We are over the tipping point.
Mother Nature gonna bitch slap us ALL. We'll be lucky if ANY of our species survives, regardless of color.

BTW cj, most indigenous people, "heathen savages" have much stronger extended family structures than anyone in America, black or white.

Doc_Jude said...

"I don't think TPTB look much farther into the future than getting their next line of coke."
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Addictive substances are just one way that "TPTB" control populations. Those that are TRULY running things don't partake, or very rarely.