BUSINESS AS USUAL
Today's "Green Sprouts News". This fiscal years deficit is "only" $1.5 trillion. China "only" cut its US debt holdings by 3% in one month. "Only" five banks closed last Friday. Okay, enough of that, I don't want to take any of the thunder away from Uncle Obammy. My last article brought the comment that the reader saw no connection between body fat and semi-auto ammunition. Now, I know that this was a simple ruse to get me introduce today's topic which is business as usual. Thank you for the introduction. This is just another way of saying that nobody is looking for a forest through all the trees. You can't expect your semi-auto rifle to be restocked with ammunition after our civilizations collapse. And you can't think of fat as being a bad thing when it might keep you alive longer. The connection is that we need to totally adjust the way we think about things if we are to have a fighting chance at being the last one in the stew pot.
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It wouldn't be tactically sound to show up for the apocalypse with a flintlock rifle. There will still be millions of spare rounds available even after the government tries to quarantine the ghettos as they try to suppress the rioting after the genetically modified corn has been turned into ethanol for military use and the wheat crop has failed from the latest rust mutation ( this is all after the drought of course ) and famine grips the land. Until the last of the modern ammunition is used up it would be silly to try to fight 20th century arms ( the only thing even advancing the M-16 from the WWII era are the plastic stocks and metal alloys ) with your 19th century firearm. And speaking of the vile hunk of crap that is the M-16, be sure to check out the last comment on the Survival Blog from today about the AK article. Since some of you fail to genuflect quick enough as my name is intoned, this should reinforce how right I am about the unsuitability of that weapon. A flintlock is the weapon that will never run out of ammunition or an ignition source, but it is absolutely no match for modern arms. And since you need a modern arm to combat others with modern arms, a bolt action is a reasonable compromise. It won't run out of modern ammunition anywhere near as quick. And don't play me with the skill argument. 99 out of a hundred survivalists don't have the skill to conserve ammunition under the new stress of combat.
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Body fat will once again become both scarce and desirable. Since the vast majority of our land has been striped of its nutrients and only produces food through petroleum product imputes such as natural gas derived artificial nitrogen fertilizer, as soon as the oil becomes scarce enough that land won't produce enough food to feed even a fraction of our current population. We will see famine and pestilence and die-off, the only question is when. It is very unlikely that you will be left in peace to farm that land. Rather, the new local warlord will either kill you to take it over or work you as a serf. And you won't go unnoticed because after the fuel runs out everything is going to revert to local only. That includes the tyrannical government that will rule over every square inch in his domain. Right now you might go unnoticed by the state or federal capital, but later you won't be able to hide. I'm not saying farming is bad, only that no one acknowledges the risks involved. The point here is that we are still thinking about things as if it was business as usual.
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You think you'll have enough to eat. You think the government will protect you. You think Wal-Mart will never close. Oh, I understand you are stockpiling for shortages, but deep down you won't accept that things will fundamentally change. You have enough food for six months, then expect to farm to eat. You have a few thousand rounds of ammunition and expect law and order to resume before that runs out. You assume shoes will once again be made, trade will once again pick up. It isn't like you can do a whole lot of deep planning assuming otherwise. Our economy has switched over completely to debt and overseas trade. Even forty years ago there was a lot more self sufficiency built in to the economy than now. There were still shoe repairmen instead of the fake leather and glue shoes from China that closed them all down. A lot of small machine shops and fabricators. Much more practical trades than cubical jockeys. All gone now. Almost no one can afford to truly stock enough for much more than a short term disruption. That is understandable. What is less understandable is the assumption that it will be enough. We won't go back to business as usual. The last Dark Ages lasted centuries. Populations crashed severely. Farmland was depleted to the point it took hundreds of years to replenish itself. Law and order took that long to get reestablished. And that was going from an agricultural economy to the same. The infrastructure of outlaying areas feeding Rome failed, true. Now, we will have to readjust from global trade to local production or at most very short distance trade. In that our collapses are similar. The difference, what will make things even harder, is that we are devolving from industry/information back to primitive farming ( the Intensive techniques are an improvement but we are without the infrastructure to support a non-petroleum society ).
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I don't expect anyone other than a few bizarre folks to plan now for the total collapse. Other than escaping to a wilderness area and living off the land, you can't do much beforehand except short term stockpiling. But perhaps you should stop looking for green sprouts after the collapse. I don't think they will be any more numerous than during this "recovery". Paranoia is good.
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Monday, August 24, 2009
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I agree. This is why I say skills are just as, if not more, important than stockpiling.
I agree it Daren. It is skills that will matter. How many people do you know who can milk a cow or a goat? Shoe a horse? How many have trapped or snared animals? How about butcher a hog, including scalding of a?
Well you get the idea.
Panhandletex
When you bring a bolt action to a semi auto fight you will conserve ammo, because you will likely be dead. If you happen to be a better shot with your bolt gun then the guy with the semi, then maybe you will get lucky. If you both need a couple of shots to hit the target then my money is on the guy with the semi.
I have not had the honor to serve in battle but my guess is if you ask the average soldier with a limited amount of ammo what he wants to carry in the field it won't be a bolt gun. If you plan on sniping out all the bad guys from a few hundred yards out than go a head with the bolt but if there is more than one bad guy don't miss.
I will admit that a bolt gun will be better than sticks and stones:)
"You can't expect your semi-auto rifle to be restocked with ammunition after our civilizations collapse."
The same could be said for the bolt action.
Even stocking up on food might not be enough. If the SHTF, I think the gov't will make it illegal to have a supply of food. If you're reported, then they come in and help you comply. You either defend your supply to death, or you give it up and starve. At least you have options.
how many folk know which end of a shovel to use ? how many of you own any kind of shovel besides one of those plastic snow shovels ?
nothing fancy to survival.
speaking of which, the flu season has started in Australia and Hong Kong, and so this years superbug should be picking up steam. and it is headed this way.
i've only seen one little blip about the new gladisil cervical cancer vaccine killing off or maiming hordes of young girls. so that's something to think about when they make the swine flu vaccine mandatory.
i really don't know, but that die off your all talking about could be just around the corner. this one could make the nazi motorcycle meth head scenario look like a vacation at Disneyland...
BRING OUT YOUR DEAD...BRING OUT YOU DEAD ?????
Well, it is interesting that with the whole economic meltdown the mainstream media fails to report on China making purchases on our infrastructure. Some of you have long term memory may recall during the Bush administration that they were trying to sell some of our ports to Spain. Well, it appears they no longer want to report on that type of stuff.
And so with the infrastructure being bought up the Chinese play it safe and make sure they stand to gain off of their dollar holdings.
Very good blog post !
This is just another way of saying that nobody is looking for a forest through all the trees. You can't expect your semi-auto rifle to be restocked with ammunition after our civilizations collapse.
as stated in earlier comments the one shot per trigger pull and the one shot per trigger pull semi auto stand about the same chances of running out of modern ammo.
a semi auto weapon isn't anything magical. I'm starting to wonder if you are believing the anti gun press about the "evil black rifles"
the important part is having firearms and knowing how to use them properly. accuracy with the chosen weapon and what to do with it when something goes wrong with it.
sure a bolt action is cheaper in some cases, but don't come down too hard on folks that may already have a semi-auto firearms.
similar argument comparing a nagant and an enfield... comes down to choice and familiarity in the end.
and would you be casting ammo for the flintlock mentioned? ;)
Body fat will once again become both scarce and desirable. Since the vast majority of our land has been striped of its nutrients and only produces food through petroleum product imputes such as natural gas derived artificial nitrogen fertilizer, as soon as the oil becomes scarce enough that land won't produce enough food to feed even a fraction of our current population.
back to the body fat thing huh? never mind such things as composting, vermicomposting, and manure. I've seen humanure mentioned in previous writings, is it all but forgotten about now?
without such things how to you plan to maintain body fat?
sure farming involves risk, as does hunting. if every redneck with a deer rifle decides that is the method to keep food on the table, then unmanaged hunting could produce scarcity for hunters.
as with anything a certain level of risk is involved with any strategy
might as well keep your options open ... grow some food *AND* do some hunting
You think you'll have enough to eat. You think the government will protect you. You think Wal-Mart will never close. Oh, I understand you are stockpiling for shortages, but deep down you won't accept that things will fundamentally change. You have enough food for six months, then expect to farm to eat. You have a few thousand rounds of ammunition and expect law and order to resume before that runs out.
the same holes you mention for other folks apply to the stategy you propose folks to use and write about. I haven't read anything on the bison survival blog that answers the long term question either. So what is the bison plan for total collapse long term? if I missed it in my readings someone please post a link to the answers here.
are we going to see future long term planning entries in the blog?
I think if you can get past the body fat and distaste for semi auto weapons, you have a real niche to appeal to folks.
Other than escaping to a wilderness area and living off the land, you can't do much beforehand except short term stockpiling. But perhaps you should stop looking for green sprouts after the collapse.
why not look for the sprouts *before* the collapse too?
might as well put some of that wheat to use in the meantime as well ;)
http://www.kurtsaxon.com/foods002.htm
wheat, grinder, sprouts ... it all looks so familiar ;)
While people may have different views still good things should always be appreciated. Yours is a nice blog. Liked it!!!
The warlords will kill us or make us serfs? Probably, but we'll know in advance who the warlords will be. They'll be the ones with the semi-autos ;)
Dangers and Rewards of the Home-Garden
thanks for supporting the gardening idea Creekmore, much appreciation :)
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