Friday, September 18, 2009

nazi america collapse

NAZI AMERICA COLLAPSE
"In the depths of my heart I can't help being convinced that my dear fellow men, with a few exceptions, are worthless" Sigmund Freud.
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I'm sure that to a lot of you, patriotism means whatever the government tells you it means. To me, loving America means loving the ideal of what it should be rather than the reality of how it actually turned out. So pardon the crap out of me if I'm extremely critical of our empire. Strip away all window dressing and things get a bit ugly. To me, America means the individual over the collective, not the welfare masses rooting for the military machine to steal some more resources ( although I am well aware of our centuries of resource theft, again, we are going with the dream rather than the reality ). All empires collapse, and ours is in the process. Does seeing that make me unpatriotic? Only if you are part of the brainwashed mass shouting in orgasmic glee at rallies, giving stiff armed salutes at our Majestic Muslim.
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The fascist thing has been done to death. We are our own particular brand of government control. The fascist label really only works to a certain degree. But we are a lot like the Nazi's. We are all pretty much brainwashed, but by TV instead of radio. We like trying to ban books, rather than burn them. We use the military industrial complex to keep the unemployment numbers down. We use political prisoners for slave labor. And we think nothing of stealing other peoples oil. And, like Germany, our country will lay in utter ruins after our fight over energy. Unlike Germany, there not be anyone to rebuild our country afterwards. Which wasn't really altruism on our part but more of a government bailout to keep factories busy. And, unfortunately, we won't even have the luxury of an invasion such as Germany did, but be nuked like Japan was. What comes around goes around.
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Look, I don't think living in America during its empire years was such a bad deal. When you are the biggest bully on the block and everyone pays you off not to beat them up, you have a pretty good deal going. I don't deny that I as well as everyone else enjoyed a wonderful lifestyle from stolen resources. But we have to face the facts that the theft is winding down, people elsewhere are smelling our weakness now that oil supplies are drying up. It is going to go badly for us. And, what used to work for us, our isolation, is going to work against us. It is too costly to invade us. Which leaves the only other option a nuclear attack. And not a traceable missile attack from a foreign country but either a smuggled weapon or a submarine attack ( or even disguised civilian boat ) from just off shore. Perhaps there will be no attack. Even if a nuclear attack is highly probable doesn't make it a guarantee. Heck, our economy is imploding so well on its own that there might be no need to finish us off militarily. But either a nuclear attack or an economic meltdown, we will lay in ruins soon.
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I was listening to National Pravda Radio this morning. Some bitch was crying and moaning about being laid off. Oh!, the horror. The horror. I was making $14 an hour with benefits and we were all laid off by the hotel chain and replaced with $8 an hour with no bennies workers. Surprisingly, they didn't see that one coming. My point is that most of the service industry is being let go or having pay cut. The 70% of the economy that is consumption is contracting, taking everything down with them. It is a bloodbath, there are no green shoots. If it ain't paid for by the government, it is shrinking or going out of business. Add together shrinking budgets for local government forcing cuts in fire suppression with desperate business owners needing insurance money, and it is going to be the seventies Bronx all over again. Across all of suburbia americana. And please make no mistake. There will be no sunshine and lollipop happy organic gardener final ending. We won't transition to a local economy. Not peacefully. Entrenched interests are everywhere and are not giving up the old wealth model of endless energy consumption and low interest borrowing. They will take the system down with them trying to survive. Add the smoldering seventies Bronx with the sixties ghetto riots. All across the land.
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And add in famine, blackouts and factional fighting. Now we have 70's Bronx fires, 60's riots in all cities, and 90's Yugoslavia breakup and constant combat. Yes, a wet dream for the militia survivalists. It will suck to be the rest of us. In the end, war or the economy dying, it will look like 1945 Germany. Cold, bleak, starving amongst the ruins of corpses and blackened buildings. What fun to look forward to.
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27 comments:

bigunsfan said...

Lord Bison said:

I'm sure that to a lot of you, patriotism means whatever the government tells you it means.

I don't think so.If folks have ended up here at Bison they can't be that stupid,can they?

Have a nice weekend,I still love you as much as one man can love another man without being gay.;-)

James m Dakin said...

Hey, I got love. Thank you. I would hope that all my loyal minions used their heads for more than a hat rack. But then, I would have a lot more readers if big chunks didn't keep leaving after I tried to slaughter one of their sacred cows. All in all, I'm sure I have a very high percentage of smarter than average bears. No, William, that does not include you. The rest of you, big hugs and little kisses.

Eliot said...

moochose grassyass for your blog sir!

25Qy4AByp_XXqPFKv_8_4j1e5IPx_Q.gYpM- said...

“I'm sure that to a lot of you, patriotism means whatever the government tells you it means. “

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Being a patriot doesn't mean bowing to the gov't. Look at our forefathers, they probably would have been considered domestic terrorist by the British at the time. But they fought back and formed their own gov't. What makes you think the American spirit is so dead that the same kind of thing couldn't happen again? Have you read Claire Wolfe's "The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook" ? I think you could use a dose of Claire :)

I don't agree that the US is an empire either. We aren’t ruled over by a monarch.... I guess an oligarchy could be argued to an extent. BUT we are a republic.

"and to the Republic
for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

now if we've given up or let our liberties fall by the wayside, that is our own damn collective fault.

"... and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

for the people, *BY* the people ... we put the folks in power in the position they are in. If they were put into power they can be removed from power by the people that put them there. But are the people good and pissed off enough to do it? I don't think the people have reached their limit yet.

"O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

to remain free, the people will have to be brave and that isn't always easy to do.

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25Qy4AByp_XXqPFKv_8_4j1e5IPx_Q.gYpM- said...

part 2...

If the economy does collapse, what makes you think that things won't become more localized?

When Gas Prices Hit $20

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“They will take the system down with them trying to survive. Add the smoldering seventies Bronx with the sixties ghetto riots. All across the land”

The Bronx is still there, it made it through the 70s. Took a while to bounce back... but it did ;)

“In 1997, the Bronx was designated an All America City by the National Civic League, signifying its comeback from the decline of the 1970s. “

America made it through the 60s riots as well. The 60s were a period of radical changes. A lot of good things came out of that era as well. It wasn't all riots.

Talking about riots across the land is like talking about the housing bubble which more of a media caused frenzy.

“America’s foreclosure crisis – has been concentrated in Arizona, California, Florida, and Nevada”

So it happened in other places as well but was concentrated in certain areas....like the riots.

And as America pulled through the riots it will pull through the economic down turn.

This would be a good time for folks to become more accepting of the Bison-esque idea of an inexpensive piece of paid for land with an inexpensive structure on it that they own outright. A more modest existence perhaps?

http://tinyurl.com/lvvpfk

The average single family home has gone up in size 1366sq ft. from the 1950s to 2004.

1366sq ft.!!

“You see, my friends, the person who is the richest is not the one who has the most.” The wise old man finished his tea and started to turn toward the sun. “The richest man,” he finished, as he faced the glorious new day, “is the person who needs the least.”

Folks really need to be able to tell the difference between needs and wants and to live within their means.

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And about a nuclear attack...

Hiroshima was hit with an atomic bomb in 1945.

“Hiroshima’s population had grown to 360,000, and peaked at 419,182 in 1942. Following the atomic bombing in 1945, the population dropped to 137,197. By 1955, the city's population had returned to pre-war levels. “

So in 10 years the population levels returned. It's a modern city now by many standards.

http://tinyurl.com/nl547j
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WHEW!

admin said...

I have always known Americans were a lot like the Germans back in the day.

This is the first survival blog who seems to get a glimmer of that. Congrats. The other ones seem to be run by Germans.

The so-called patriotism now looks incredibly similar to it back then too. The regular German people rose against the status quo after a severe economic downturn and followed the Nazi party, which seemed remarkably like the "patriotic" teabaggers today--the Nazis were were nationalistic, prideful in themselves, their history and their country, everything-only-for-me-and-mine, hateful to others unlike them, etc.

Same as the Germans, all of them. Well, the Germans eventually got theirs. They lost an entire generation.

Would buying cheap land and a trailer have worked for the Jews back them?

There's nothing new under the sun, people do the same things over.

I think it's smarter to have the means and money to get the hell out of this country before it erupts.

The type of people to be wary of are the ones who rioted after the turn of the century, during reconstruction and the dawn of the industrial age. The rioting continued sporadically until WW2. They took out entire neighborhoods of folks unlike them, wiped out entire towns, burned down homes and businesses and murdered women and children. But we don't learn about that in school because it was the Americans who are like Germans doing the killing and it wouldn't be patriotic to criticize them.

The Germans, sorry I mean Americans prefer to go on and on about the sixties riots, which were an explosion of anger of an oppressed people and took place on that people's home turf. They didn't move out to murder the oppressors women and children.

It was those German type of Americans (they call themselves patriots, teabaggers, right wingers and libertarians now) that have the tendency, numbers and power to leave their own neighborhoods to go and rampage and terrorize as their German brethren did and they certainly will.

People who are even slightly different from them or don't agree with them should be ready to flee like the Jews who survived got outta Dodge when they saw the signs of what was coming.

The trusting Jews, the ones who owned the land and wouldn't budge off it...they were murdered and those average Germans (teabaggers) didn't do a damn thing about it.

Coming soon to a town near you.

I'd be very alert if and when they manage to assassinate Obama as they're itching to do. He's hated outside of any proportion compared to any other presidents. The man is a puppet for the Powers That Be just like the Presidents before him, but he serves the purpose of frothing up the Germans. It's like a Jew somehow got elected.


(If only German votes were counted, McCain would have won by a landslide).

What comes afterwards will be murder and it won't be from the few and relatively powerless Jews who live among the German hordes although the Germans will blame the Jews for everything they possibly can.

The Jews who fought back were dead Jews. They were simply too far outnumbered to be effective. The Jews who survive will flee far. I'm talking somewhere such as Brazil.

Screw that buying land and a trailer BS.

BUCK SEXTON said...

Jim you hit the nail on the head.

I think the only thing that could save this country is a decline severe enough to lessen government control or remove it completely.

All people need to do is open there eyes and look around. The only people making any money lately are those working for the government or working for a company that receives government money including unions with there government bailout.

These guys are making 70.00 per hour and we pay taxes to put them to work. Go look at any government office. Over weight fat cows sitting there they make big bucks to drag there ass around the office (mostly back and forth from the break room). If they went to the open market for employment they would be un-employable there skills are not effective for making a profit. I wouldn’t let these idiots mow my lawn (They wouldn’t know how).
There are only a hand full of people generating money (profit) in this country and its there money supporting the masses, That’s not sustainable.

I was driving through a construction zone (government funded of cores)the other day first I come to the flagger A hot young thing maybe 20? hard body tight jeans the hole bit.

I know how these contract jobs work they pay her "prevailing" wage so she’s getting ball park 24.00 per hour to stand there. Prevailing to what? The only other job she could get making that is on her back with her knees up.

The free market cant pay her that. She cant do any thing that would generate a profit large enough to absorb a high wage.

But the government can rob every body with skills to make profit. Then spread there money to those with no skills.

40% of the people are supporting the dead weight of the 60%. The system cant absorb those losses long term.

admin said...

Buck Sexton,

So once gov't is gone and replaced with a strong man dictator or warlords--something WILL fill the vacuum, what do you want done with the "useless" 60% of the population?

Send them to the camps to be gassed? Shoot 'em all with your guns and use their bodies for fertilizer? What?

That's a lot of killing.

BUCK SEXTON said...

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Look at this,
Admen, the ladies above me is using a typical liberal scam, She is taking some thing I said totally out of context, And drafting her own conclusion.
Liberals’ pull this crap all the time.
All I said was the working folks should not have to support the no-working folk. Is that unfair?
She perverts this to say I am a mass murder.?

Look, let me clarify If a person earns his money that’s his money. They should NOT be forced to pay to support other people. Nor pay for programs/services that he/she does NOT want or use.

Does this make me a murder?

Look here Puss, To answer your question about the other 60%.
We don’t need to do anything to, or, for them. Why do you liberals always think some thing needs to be done. Don’t force me to feed them and give them money. If they cant sustain them self’s natural law will apply.

See Puss, government programs are like feeding stray cats(pussies) (pun intended). It starts small then it grows the cats multiply and continue to multiply. Eventually the people feeding them can no longer sustain them self’s.

25Qy4AByp_XXqPFKv_8_4j1e5IPx_Q.gYpM- said...

@ Admin:

Are you even remotely serious comparing modern day America to Nazi Germany?

the Nazis were nationalistic, prideful in themselves, their history and their country, everything-only-for-me-and-mine, hateful to others unlike them, etc

So is there something wrong with having pride in yourself?

At least if you have a good understanding of history, you *can* (not that folks always do) look back on past mistakes and try to make sure similar bad situations do not happen again.

How is America similar in being hateful to others? Please give examples.

America isn’t making a huge land grab like Germany did in the WW2 era. America isn’t gearing up its military domestically for genocide either.

Would buying cheap land and a trailer have worked for the Jews back them?

Different setting, different environment, different period in history. Mr. Dakin also doesn’t push his survivalist ideas from that angle either. So why try to call him out on something he hasn’t even put out there?

I think it's smarter to have the means and money to get the hell out of this country before it erupts.

So you like the boat theory better than the travel trailer idea? Do you think in Brazil you won’t have economic woes down there? Why Brazil?

They took out entire neighborhoods of folks unlike them, wiped out entire towns, burned down homes and businesses and murdered women and children. But we don't learn about that in school because it was the Americans who are like Germans doing the killing and it wouldn't be patriotic to criticize them.

What the heck are you talking about there? Please give examples.

25Qy4AByp_XXqPFKv_8_4j1e5IPx_Q.gYpM- said...

@ Buck

All people need to do is open there eyes and look around. The only people making any money lately are those working for the government or working for a company that receives government money including unions with there government bailout.

Be serious now. You are making it seem like the black silent helicopters and the shadow people are after you.

Have you walked in your local wal-mart or grocery store lately? With folks trying to save a buck wal-mart is making money, as are grocery stores because folks are eating out less and preparing meals at home.

What about fuel companies? The roads are still filled with automobiles with folks going here or there.

I would venture to say investors that can weather the current economic conditions are snapping some stuff up cheap now. By investors I mean real estate and financial markets. Buy cheap, sell high still applies.

There is still money in the market and it’s going somewhere.

Folks that lost their homes either to job losses, health problems, buying too much home, etc… are probably renting somewhere or combining families. So there is money flowing into the rentals market that might not have been there before.

I would bet the porn industry is doing well. Sex always sells.

I would bet beer and cigarette sales are up in a down economy too.

Several online companies are doing pretty well too.

Consultants to ailing industries are probably pulling down some solid bucks too.

Some quick searching on the net says that the video game industry is doing well despite the down economy.

25Qy4AByp_XXqPFKv_8_4j1e5IPx_Q.gYpM- said...

@ Buck again…

The free market cant pay her that. She cant do any thing that would generate a profit large enough to absorb a high wage.

The only other job she could get making that is on her back with her knees up.

Ignorant and presumptuous statement there…. Did I mention sexist too?

Really other than seeing the gal working, what do you know about her or her skill set?

You are making an assumption there and the only part you are getting right is being an ass and staring at hers.

All I said was the working folks should not have to support the no-working folk. Is that unfair? ,

An easy generalization to make there, Buck.

What about the folks unable to work? Say disabled folks, elderly, and children.

What do you propose to do with them?

Folks that may have worked hard all their lives, but went broke to medical expenses (either themselves or close family member). What about them?

It really is easy to say “To hell with those lazy bums!” … but what if they aren’t lazy bums?

What about a kid born to parents that got killed or went to jail?

Do you propose to toss the kid out on the street? What if it is a little kid, say a 6 year old.

Toss them out on the streets to make their way?

Look, let me clarify If a person earns his money that’s his money. They should NOT be forced to pay to support other people. Nor pay for programs/services that he/she does NOT want or use.

So no taxes on anything huh? Would you think differently if it was a school system in your area? What about roads and interstates?

Remember the gov’t does do some good things or the folks in power wouldn’t still be around.

If you feel that strongly about not paying taxes, you should take a look at:

http://w4resistance.org/simpleliving.html

Bottom Line: It is possible for a single person under 50 to shelter at least $12,000 of income from the federal income tax. Married people with children can shelter even more, but the cost of raising children will probably offset any gains.

Let me also recommend Claire Wolfe’s book “The Freedom Outlaw's Handbook: 179 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution” to you Buck. I think you will like what she has to say in that book.
Don’t forget to click through on one of Mr. Dakin’s amazon.com link so we are keep discussions like this going here.
You can get a taste for her writing style here:
http://www.backwoodshome.com/wolfe_index.html

admin said...

25Q

Do I spy someone with some brains? Wow! (I'm definitely not looking at you, Buck, and btw chicks usually find brains hotter than a tight ass).

Are you even remotely serious comparing modern day America to Nazi Germany?

Why is it such a leap?...Is it a leap because we are supposedly better? How so? And do you really think we learn from history?

The Germans were patriotic and never thought of themselves as bad or evil either. They thought they were good people. In fact, they were convinced of it. They honestly felt they were the best and that they were doing the right thing.

How are we (the patriots, teabaggers, folks such as Buck), so different?

America isn’t making a huge land grab like Germany did in the WW2 era. America isn’t gearing up its military domestically for genocide either.

Nope, it isn't YET. The so-called patriots don't have a strong man or leader to line up under either...YET. How can you say it won't happen given the set of the right circumstances?

War has always been pretty inevitable history wise. It usually comes to that. It's what men do--particularly men under stress, angry men, men under some sort of strong men dictator and men who believe the same sort of things and rhetoric the so-called U.S. patriots are spouting. Mix it up with the strong belief that certain people are inherently bad, worthless or less than (that 60% again) and you got a recipe for genocide.

Mr. Dakin also doesn’t push his survivalist ideas from that angle either. So why try to call him out on something he hasn’t even put out there?

I'm not calling Jim out. The trailer idea might work for some--the majority, the Germans, but for a few, it simply won't work.

What the heck are you talking about there? Please give examples.

Regarding the real American rioting we don't learn about in the history books and the schools...if you're really interested here are a couple links to start.

Starting with good ol' Wikipedia

The worst riot in the US was in Tulsa. This is from Financial Times about it.

These riots were common up to WW2 and they make the sixties riots look like a frickin' play day in the park. There is truly no comparison. It took the unprecedented prosperity of the post war era to calm the riots down.

In Tulsa, they had martial law and actually rounded up huge numbers of people into detention camps. Officially, hundreds were murdered, nonofficially, I heard it was thousands, and there are huge unmarked graves. They also dropped fire bombs from a plane on certain sections of town. And I bet your kids learned NOTHING about that one.

Why? Have you ever thought about that they history you might know about is a selective one chosen by the Powers That Be?

The fact is that your average "good" American doesn't take well to privation and tends to riot on a dime when stressed and not living under conditions such as our post war prosperity.

Our post war prosperity is pretty much over. Our decline is just starting but things are going to get worse.

Folks who constantly label, complain and bitch about other folks (never themselves) and go on and on about how wonderful they are in comparison with others--how are they that different from Germans again?

The so-called patriots should think about the consequences of their continual discontent.

mbono4 said...

A great video on why the dollar stinks and why the US federal reserve bank is not the US federal reserve bank by the author of "Rich
dad." He even brings up the Nazis
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/09/19/author-of-rich-dad-on-the-fed-and-saving-money/

LL said...

I just joined the throng of adoring bisons.

25Qy4AByp_XXqPFKv_8_4j1e5IPx_Q.gYpM- said...

Why is it such a leap?...Is it a leap because we are supposedly better? How so? And do you really think we learn from history?

I don’t think it is because we think we are better, but we are more aware of what goes on in the world due to things like the internet that spread information very quickly. Folks, like bloggers for example, can get the word out quicker than was possible before. Translated foreign news sites are available as well. Where the Germans could control the flow of information in the WW2 era, that isn’t possible in the current day and age.

I *hope* we learn from history, although all it’s lessons aren’t always remembered so easily. Take the current economic decline for example. Soon after the masses started being made aware of it, folks started comparing it to the great depression. Which in turn got more folks giving it a closer look and comparing and contrasting it. The US troops in Iraq has been compared to Vietnam. That is just a couple of examples that come to mind.

How are we (the patriots, teabaggers, folks such as Buck), so different?

Because they are watching what the “other team” (liberals, conservatives, libertarians, moderates, etc..) is doing. Depending on which media outlet they pay attention to, or side with (CNN, Fox News, etc..) that speaks to their targeted audience and keeps them aware of what the “other team” is doing to usurp the ideals and value systems.

Because of a lot of folks don’t think all the other folks are honest and good.

Nope, it isn't YET. The so-called patriots don't have a strong man or leader to line up under either...YET. How can you say it won't happen given the set of the right circumstances?

Nope, I can’t say that it can’t or won’t happen. There is always potential for the perfect storm to happen if left unchecked. I do think because of folks raised awareness that any one leader could gain that much power unchecked, at least in this country.

War has always been pretty inevitable history wise. It usually comes to that. It's what men do--particularly men under stress, angry men, men under some sort of strong men dictator and men who believe the same sort of things and rhetoric the so-called U.S. patriots are spouting. Mix it up with the strong belief that certain people are inherently bad, worthless or less than (that 60% again) and you got a recipe for genocide.

Sadly that seems to be true. Folks always want to fight over something. Racial or religious based fighting will likely always happen but I don’t see it jumping to the level of genocide.

cont...

25Qy4AByp_XXqPFKv_8_4j1e5IPx_Q.gYpM- said...

I'm not calling Jim out. The trailer idea might work for some--the majority, the Germans, but for a few, it simply won't work.

I don’t think it would work for the majority. I don’t think most folks are willing to live Mr. Dakin’s version of voluntary simplicity. But most could take tidbits of his ideas and tidbits of others and work it into something that would work for them.

Folks who constantly label, complain and bitch about other folks (never themselves) and go on and on about how wonderful they are in comparison with others--how are they that different from Germans again?

Because of the flow of information I don’t think the bitching and moaning could escalate to a global scale like Nazi Germany. It wouldn’t go unchecked for very long.

And thanks for the links about the rioting, much appreciated :)

Bill said...

Admin, that is surely an interesting take on history. The libertarian "teabaggers" [heh-heh] are the polar opposite of Fascists. The fascists favor a very strong central government with a strong military presence in every aspect of life. Libertarians favor having as little government in their lives as possible. Personally, I find liberals and conservatives equally sickening. I feel that any decent country has a respect of individual rights, both civil and fiscal. I don't really know what you are trying to say but you need to do a little research about libertarianism. To single out a group based on race goes against our basic ethos. All we want is to not have to give half our earned money to pork barrel spending and to not have some assclown legislating morality. BTW, in case you can't tell, I AM A PROUD LIBERTARIAN!!! Keep up the blog James, some of us can appreciate a good rant.

admin said...

I know what libertarianism is, but it seems really pie in the sky to me.

Power doesn't go away and the changes libertarianism would demand would take a fairly brutal dictator with broad power to enforce it.

Power never gets smaller or even equalizes, power only wants more and expands.

Libertarianism would give way to either a dictatorship, or the strong warlord scenario.

You get a lot of strong personalities in a limited space worshipping their individuality and personal rights, then you got problems. The Japanese manage such things better, to be frank.

I only see libertarianism working on a very small scale for small areas that are homogeneous in nearly everything, especially skills and socio economic status. --Such as if city-nations governing themselves. It would still take a strong man or group to enforce rule of law and oversee burying all the worthless folk's dead bodies for fertilizer.

Governments exist and we have to deal with them. Wishing they'd go away will never make it so. History shows they've only been replaced with another idea (that usually doesn't work out either).

Anyhoo, aren't a lot of those teabaggers just plain right wingers and embarrassed Republicans who voted for GW and pissed they got somebody who looks so different supposedly in charge of them, 'fraid he's going to take away their guns or tax the hell outta them for reparations?

My take is Obama does what he's told by the real Power. Nothing is going to change or unfold differently than it would have under any other president, whatever the party.

25Qy4AByp_XXqPFKv_8_4j1e5IPx_Q.gYpM- said...

My take is Obama does what he's told by the real Power.

so who is the real power calling the shots?

zapoteca said...

Thought provoking as usual. I agree with your prognosis in everything but the timeline. I think the decline will be slower, just because of the momentum from hundreds of millions of people. I think the flywheel will be slow to wind down, just as it is to rev up.

I was lucky to escape New England's perpetual recession hangover from the 90s, although it took years to get out. Thankfully, the geographic cure worked, and I am now in a verboten urban area, contentedly slaving my way out of the horrific credit card debt assumed during intermittent employment over seven years while raising children.

Should I lose my job, I WILL go directly to Plan B, buy my piece of land and shack outright, hunker down, and change my perspective. Although I hope I can gut it out long enough to give my youngest child a leg up. Debt is a horrific thing, and was necessary for me to keep us in food and the kids in shoes. I would hope to shield my youngest child from the experience right out of the starting gate.

I just hope the cards fall right for him to get engaged in something serviceable, either during his post secondary education or in the military.

admin said...

25Q

so who is the real power calling the shots?

Notice that nothing really changes for the 0.5% at the top that own most of the wealth and institutions no matter what administration is in power.

I KNEW there was no way we'd get universal health care no matter what lies Obama SAID, because the people who own and run things, the rulers, profit way too much off us. Sure enough, we won't--just some crappy changes that will force us to fork over even more money to make the health care companies richer.

Get this, MEXICO'S health plan covers the illegal aliens for frickin' free. We hardly hear anything about that one. They extend it into the US because the aliens send so much money back home. Those illegals got WAY better coverage than the US poor. Yet, Wilson is screaming at the Prez like it's an issue. The powers that be want the sheep ignorant as usual of what really is going on and riled up for some reason.

Notice the immigration laws never change even under GW when he had a mandate, because the powers want the Mexicans over here to work in their business for next to nothing they'd pay Americans--the jobs they can't ship to India, such as meat packing are full of illegals.

The program is called Seguro Popular. Here are links if you happen to know some Mexican nationals that don't know about it (but most of them do).

Mexico promotes free healthcare for US health care for illegal immigrants

Mexico offers health insurance to migrants

And about the program, Seguro Popular

Good Lord, please spread the word amongst the ignorant right wingers so they can stop frothing over paying for illegal Mexican's health care.

The program has been in place since 2006. Those Mexicans have it better than we do as far as health care.

This is just one instance...there are dozens that point to Obama's lies and how he is cahoots with the powers that be to keep the people fooled, ignorant and riled up for some reason.

He's continuing on the groundwork GW laid.

MAHTOMEDI said...

admin said: "Those Mexicans have it better than we do as far as health care". You obviously have never been to Mexico. Other than Mexico City, the clinics and hospitals would scare the shit out of most U.S. people on first sight. My garage is more sanitary.

A good discussion going here though. I just had to correct you on that one.

admin said...

mahtomedi,

Right, I haven't used Mexican health care, but I have a friend who lives there with her children and Mexican husband. Her health care is excellent. They have money though and they do live in Mexico City.

The urban and resort upper class health care is equal to any here...I know several people who have went to Mexico for surgery...but it was at always at the upper class places. If I wanted to pay for some fancy plastic surgery or something, I'd not hesitate going there. Lots of my friends went to Brazil and Costa Rica and are still raving about the resort style hospitals there and the excellent and high tech care--but again, that's for the rich.

I don't doubt the common people's health care sucks...but hey, at least they got it. The saying goes beggars can't be choosy.

Universal health care has its drawbacks for sure...the rich folk in other countries buy private extra insurance and have fancy hospitals, etc.--the difference is that the commoners can get the basics without bankrupting themselves.

admin said...

Interesting article at USA Today about how American retirees are moving to Mexico and signing up for Mexican health care on the Mexican taxpayer's dime.

I guess we can get 'em back for the money we spent on their folks now.

fallout11 said...

For what it is worth (and I agree with Admin), my grandfather, one of those very "good Germans" that backed the Nazi's and fought the Soviets on the eastern front during WW2 (he survived and immigrated here, met my grandmother, and got married) in his last few years was certain that America was on the same path and would one day go the same route.

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