Tuesday, September 15, 2009

propane use

PROPANE USE
Whenever I mention Peak Oil, I know you are all heaving large sighs of exasperation, rolling your eyes and in general trying to ignore me. After all, just because we are using three times what is discovered, just because oil field discoveries peaked forty years ago, just because liquid petroleum has been flat since 2005 and we are using less energy intensive fuels to make up the difference, why, none of that means the very abundant and very cheap oil supply we built an economy on is collapsing before our eyes. Oil will last forever, because without that security blanket you have to worry about giving up all the trappings of modern middle class suburbia. No more welfare for retirement, no more credit, no more pampered lifestyle. No more SUV, for the love of all that is holy and just! Keep deluding yourself. And while you set up camp near De Nile river, I'm keeping my petroleum use in perspective. I know it is nothing more than a luxury.
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I bike to work, with one car trip to town a week to grocery shop. I don't need to drive. Even without a bike trailer, I can still haul water and laundry and food. It will just take more than one trip. If things are so bad I don't work, I can hoof it to the river. But as long as the money economy lasts, I'm going into town anyway. With a backpack and a PeeWee Hermon basket on my handle bars, I can haul what I need. I use two gallons of water a day, the two of us use a total of three gallons a day. I can haul that water on my bike. The only thing that would give me trouble would be a five gallon propane tank. If the car use ends through unemployment, I'll buy a trailer for hauling in propane. If the car use ends because the gasoline is gone, then I won't have to worry about buying propane. The point being, a car is a luxury. I set things up that way because I know that one day none of us will be driving.
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Propane is also a luxury. It is more of a necessity that a car, since it is the heat in the winter. But in a more primitive existence I can heat with solar and scrub brush. It will be miserable, but I won't freeze to death. I can also cook the same way. With some solar and some wood. The trick is to use as little as possible. When you only need twenty gallons of water a week, things are a lot easier. You don't necessarily need a well and a tank and a pump and a septic. When you have good solar gain, you don't need as much heat from propane. By turning off the heat at night and by going cold a lot ( last year a fifty degree trailer while showering was the norm- hopefully it will be sixty or seventy this year with the new insulation ) I can stretch out a bottle of propane for a week. Ten hours a day, seven days a week. My propane heater ( Mr. Heater brand ) turned on low gets about seventy hours use out of a five gallon tank. Currently that is about $13. So heat, used very sparingly and augmented by solar, costs me $50 a month. The solar costs nothing, just the right side of the trailer facing south. I use sheets of foil covered bubble wrap to cover the windows after the sun goes down. That will keep a lot of the heat in. Last winter I didn't have that ( or the other insulation ) and you could almost see the thermometer dropping after five in the evening.
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For cooking, I use a two burner propane camp stove. The oven that came with the trailer has a problem with the pilot light staying on, so I just don't use the original equipment. And a good thing, that also saves me money from burning propane to use the fridge. That is also a luxury. I don't even know how much that appliance would use in fuel. Anyway, that stove has been going strong for three years, with daily use. Using that stove, my cooking and hot water use is one pound of propane a week. Last year I was cooking my flat bread for work with propane. That doubled the usage. Then, in one of my customary semi-annual flashes of brilliance, I starting taking the flour to work and nuking it. Duh. In the morning, one pot of coffee is brewed in the peculator. At night, I heat up a half gallon of water for bathing/shaving. Dinner is cooked in a pot or cast iron skillet, and I heat a few cups of water for cleaning the dishes. With all that, a can of propane will almost always last a week. I'm still amazed.
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I am still using the disposable propane canisters, about $2.75 each from Wal-Mart. That is about seventy five cents worth of propane in a two dollar can. I recycle the steel, but I need to go ahead and make a hole in my wall and feed a propane line from outside ( the heater tank is too far away to use that ) and use a refillable tank. Then my monthly cost on the stove will go from $12 to $3. I had that coupler that you use to refill one of the disposable tanks from a big tank, but it didn't work for me. You must freeze the small can and keep the large tank warm. Without freezing, the transfer doesn't work at all. I tried. My next twenty bucks free goes to a hose, I already have extra five gallon tanks. One less thing to buy from Wal-Mart then. Bastards.
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15 comments:

MUKWAH said...

Jim -- I remember my first really isolated post. The winter became unusually bitter in January and February and the bottled propane froze over night. I reported the condition to the custodian of the school and came home to find he had built a nice fire about 6" away from the house all around the propane bottle. It worked but I was more than a bit nervous while the fire was burning.
Garry Almas

M.D. Creekmore said...

This post is for you Jim - hope it helps...

bigunsfan said...

Thanks for the info James.

Buzz Kimball said...

well it's probably to late in the season to bother building a solar stove.

i built a small cardboard and plastic bottle one once and a good gust of wind came along and blew it away....

there is the old rice pot trick. bring the water and rice to a boil and wrap it up and stick it in a box... some people make an insulated box that's an exact fit for their favorite pot.

obviously, you have to start the night before or in the morning, but that will save a bit of propane on long slow cooking foods

Norcal said...

Jim
When you tried to fill the small propane bottle from the big one did you turn the big bottle upside down before you turned on the valve? That fills it with liquid instead of gas.
Norcal

Northwoods said...

Jim,
As Norcal had asked, " did you turn the larger tank upside down first"?
If not you're spitt'n into the wind my friend.
Even done properly,you will never be able to fully refill a smaller cylinder in this manor but you can expect about half way full at least.
Hope this helps.

Stephanie in AR said...

I meant to suggest this sooner & this post jostled my memory. When I was a kid Dad subscribed to the MEN when it was really poor folks that were doin'. One of the diy was a solar heat grabber - did a search and found the original article:

www.motherearthnews.com/Do-It-Yourself/1977-09-01/Mothers-Heat-Grabber.aspx

and some up-dated suggestions:

www.motherearthnews.com/Renewable-Energy/2006-02-01/Do-It-Yourself-Solar-Heat-Collectors.aspx

Thinking about letting the 17 yo try his hand at builing at least one. (He's handy & is always trying to figure out ways to diy)

Heckinahandbasket said...

Ha!
Bison ain't gonna build himself a solar collector. Heck, drilling a hole in the side of a bucket for a spout is more trouble than he wants.
(sorry James, I'm constantly disappointed at your lack of DIY gumption)

As to refilling the little disposable propane bottles. Don't yours have a little pin valve off to the side of the main coupling. That is what you use to keep reducing the pressure to keep the liquid flowing. Heard a rumor that newer 20lb tanks have an anti-siphon valve so that little liquid can leave the tank, this may be your bigger problem with the setup.

houstonmom said...

Regarding peak oil collapse, I don't think peal oil matters.... gasp! I think massive war in the middle east will get us to $400 barrel oil while there is still black gold in the ground. So I think you're right... energy is a luxury. That will be a really hard transition for most of us.

James m Dakin said...

Handbasket- It's not about DIY pioneer spirit and good ol yankee gumption and killin injuns and blazing trails. It was a simple matter of economics. Why buy a one time use tool? With that money saving viewpoint, I figured out how to do it at no extra cost. You go buy a tool and putz around, I'll work at it until I can do it cheaper. FRUGAL survival, not BUY UNNEEDED TOOLS survival.

MEB said...

I don't relish living like a caveman/woman. I actually need my car due to a severe injury. As far as welfare retirement..I have paid into the system for forty years. I HAD an IRA account that has evaporated. Just don't trust the government or arm chair survivalst who will be the first to apply for their pension and S. S. benifits when the time comes.

theotherryan said...

They make adapters for Coleman propane stuff to get fed from the 5 gallon cannisters. Bet they would work for the Mr. Heater.

John H said...

James have you considered heating food to boiling and putting it in a good thermos at work? When you get home in a few hours even beans should be cooked it even develops a little pressure.

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