Wednesday, October 21, 2009

storage

STORAGE
Thanks to the big To-Do over at www.survivalblog.com on commercial storage units, I feel compelled to throw in my unsolicited advice on the subject. Hey, do I put a gun to your head demanding you send me funds to continue publishing ( BTW, Sam, I know you said I shouldn’t mention it, but I got your snail mail donation- I love you man! )? No. You foolishly do that on your own ( cash preferred, but will gladly except canned bacon, 303 Brit brass, silver or books ). So in effect, you are paying me to abuse you. Suckers. On a related note, you can now officially buy my post-apocalypse movie review book through the link at www.bisonpress.com. I took the 120 recommended movies over at Wiki, discarded half as having no real connection to the genre, watched 61 movies and reviewed 38 of them. The one third I didn’t review were either really horrid or had nothing to do with post-apocalypse. Some I reviewed had the same flaw, but were either good to watch or so bad I had to warn you off. “The Happening”, not post-apoc, got reviewed. “Cyborg”, only post-apoc in plot structure but in reality being nothing more than chop-suey set in the future ( and a very improbable future where the ammo had run out but someone had the resources to construct a high tech cyborg for little apparent reason ), was not reviewed. Hey, it’s all subjective. And, no, I didn’t make a list of the good ones. Buy the damn book.
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First, other than the money issue, I never had a problem with a commercial storage unit. The summer I lived in the Hippy Bread Van in the driveway of my stepdaughter, I rented a unit across the street ( literally ). It was the standard 10x5 metal box, but it did have fiberglass batt insulation on the ceiling. It stayed nice and cool in there just with that single layer of insulation held up by chicken wire. At least compared to the outside. The van was 110, the outside was 95. It was actually a relief to go get something out of the storage unit. I put in one pallet and had plenty of room for all my bulk grains plus all the normal household crap such as books ( I never own furniture, it comes with any trailer ). I wouldn’t hesitate to do that again if I had to. Now, granted, being across the street is far better than clear across town or several states away. But even then, I don’t think it is a fatally flawed plan. I don’t think storage units are the first place to get picked clean during a collapse. And even if yours doesn’t come with insulation, you could jerry rig something.
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Forget about needing to relocate problems. You know I don’t think highly of the idea. I worried enough about relocating just 300 miles that I moved to Elko. Cold weather, long commute, living primitive, less pay, all are better than worrying about Barnyard Flu or war in Iran shutting down the ability to travel. Being at your collapse community is peace of mind. So, whether you have commercial storage because you have no room at home or if you are going to attempt to bug out, even if I don’t like the idea, let’s just focus on the storage idea rather than the reason for it. Several prime targets for criminals, mobs and Yuppie Suburban scum are Wal-Mart, Costco, the gun shop or National Guard armory. Eventually they will get around to the feed store. Far down the list is the library ( I think you should prioritize the last two for best results/least danger ). Even farther than that is storage units. Yes, they will eventually be looted, but the most common item in a storage unit is most likely a damaged particle board entertainment unit or sagging ripped couch. Regardless of the actually number of food items or firearms, I think the average member of the Golden Hoard is going to envision rooms full of damaged household furniture.
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As far as being too hot, rent yourself a unit with insulation. Not climate controlled. My God, people, it’s a few years of slightly elevated heat, not a lifetime next to a spewing volcano. How long do you actually think we have before renting a storage unit is going to be as quaint as driving an SUV or ordering on line? Your food won’t be in there that long. If you must, spend $30 and slap up a sheet of rigid insulation held up with silicone. Just don’t ask permission. You’re improving, not destroying, but just bypass rules and regulations and asking pretty please. And don’t let them know what you are storing. Just say books and dishes.
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My point? Commercial storage can be a good place for supplies. No, it’s not 100% safe. Neither is your home. Fire, theft, etc. Half at home and half at a unit might not be a bad idea. Hell, I spend $50 a month for insurance and registration on the truck and trailer, just in case I suddenly need to legally move. Insurance is never really about the true money worth, it’s about the worth of peace of mind.
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16 comments:

-Humongous said...

Thank you for your blog, Jim. It is one of a couple that I read every day that I'm able to. If I can buy some of your crap, I will.

I don't know much from storage, but I do remember the day the storage unit failed. I used to do some moving on the side. I had an old lady call me and ask if I would help her to move her stuff from one storage unit to another. Turns out the units were prone to flooding in a heavy rain. All of her boxes were soaked. It's good that you recommend the pallet, and I guess that may be why.

Aunt Jemima said...

sup jim ? don't be trippin' bout sum static ! ya be the O.G. man !

ma chil'ns luv dem storage units and shit.always findin' nice stuff dat whitey don't need nahh mo'.jus watch out fo 5-0 an dogz. na'meeeeean?

Good Old Rebel said...

Yeah Jim,thank you.

Here's a joke for you :

Buckwheat & Darla were in school, and the teacher asks Darla "How do you spell 'dumb'?"

Darla says "d-u-m-b, dumb" The teacher says, "very good, now use it in a sentence."

She says "Buckwheat is dumb"

Now spell "stupid". Darla says "s-t-u-p-i-d, stupid". The teacher says, "very good, now use it in a sentence."

Darla says "Buckwheat is stupid."

Then the teacher calls on Buckwheat and says "Buckwheat, spell dictate."

Buckwheat stands and says "d-i-c-t-a-t-e, dictate". The teacher says, "very good, now use it in a sentence."

"I may be dumb, and I may be stupid, but Darla say my dictate good!"

Good Old Rebel said...

Here's another one Jim :

The teacher asked her class to use the word choo-choo in a sentence. First she called on Alice who said "The choo-choo pulled the train up the hill and down the hill."

"Good," the teacher replied. Next she turned to Leroy and said, "Please use choo-choo in a sentence."

"The choo-choo be chugging real fast."

"All right," said the teacher. Then she asked, "Armondo, can you use the word choo-choo in a sentence?"

Armondo says, "You touch my car an I'll choo-choo."

-Humongous said...

Repugnant-

1. distasteful, objectionable, or offensive: a repugnant smell.

Good Old Rebel said...

Self Righteous Twat-

1.Humongous

ImaOldMainer said...

Jim:

Thanks for the thoughts on the subject. I hear you, but I'd rather bury my stuff than put it in a box. I don't have to pay for stuff I bury and only I know where I put it.

James m Dakin said...

Has anyone come across info on burying poly buckets? Not PVC pipe, just the regular five gallon bucket. A minion suggested it, and it seems like a good idea. Any info on rodent issues ( the waterproofing would be easy enough to figure out )?

Mid Dog man said...

Hello!!!
You keep using one sentence in every other post to just barely touch on Swine Flu, H1N1.
When are you going to throw out some bits on your take on this flu subject?
You say you work around many people, homeless vermin, live in a trailer park with we all can guess less educated than you. Sounds to me as if you are ripe to be at least around it soon if not already.
My self, I live 3 hours from the starting point of this killer, MEXICO, and if you think because of a bad economy they ain't still making a run for "Taco Bell" here your DEAD wrong! 1000's still coming coughing a sneezing all the way.
I have added as much Purell as I can buy (sold out here for the longest time) masks (they say won't work) and Vit c 2 months of extra soup and water and gas to go along with everything else I have already stored for other "emergencies"
Is this a flu designed to kill us off or make us crave the obammy medical proposal?
Tell us your plans and thoughts and preps for this old wise 1!!

san5pedro said...

Jim,
Good article on storing supplies.
Just Google "caching supplies in 5 gallon buckets" and you will have much information to evaluate. Sounds like a good way to go. Supplies can be buried, hidden, submerged, or hung in trees according to an individual's situation/needs. Are there any abandoned mines in the Elko area?
There are also a number of sites dedicated to geo-caching that could provide some useful information.

ImaOldMainer said...

Jim:

All of my supplies are buried in 5 gallon poly buckets or 4-6" PVC pipe. Here are my lessons learned and suggestions.

Poly buckets that formerly held food can be gotten for free but must be disinfected with bleach or critters will find. In my area, I'm no worried about mice as much as raccoons. I typically bury 3-4 feet down to prevent frost heaving (and my cache area looking like a graveyard).

Cut off metal handles to prevent discovery by metal detectors. Also, place any PVC tubes with metal goodies in a deeper cache with junk metal buried a foot or two above. The old handles and other s(crap) will foil them pretty well.

For poly buckets, you will probably have to buy new lids (http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/product.asp?catalog_name=usplastic&category_name=24&product_id=9723). The old lids are likely missing or ruined. Don't cheap out and try to reuse an old lid-- it will likely fail. Seal new plastic lid with silicone and hammer on tight. That will waterproof it. Double bag your sealed food or goodies and put in the plastic bucket. When finished wipe the whole shebang with a bleach saturated rag and wear gloves to prevent smells. If the critters can't smell it they can't find it in my experience.

When you bury, be sure to either remove sod/plants as a plug to cover and mound an inch or two higher. The soil will eventually settle. Place some gravel or sand in the bottom of your cache hole to drain water.

Don't try to plant around small trees. Their roots make removal VERY difficult. Covering with vines (like hops because it grows real fast) or picker bushes (like rasberries) work really well because it is hard to walk through and discourages casual walking and discovery.

4", 5" or 6" PVC pipe can be gotten for free also at building sites. You should choose longer lengths and cut to fit later. You must buy caps, and seal these with PVC cement weld (the purple stuff plumbers use). This will melt the plastic together, and it is much harder to get into later than the poly buckets. You will have to saw them off. Consider this when putting things inside and protect valuables with bubble wrap and HAND saw carefully.

Pick you cache location carefully. You need a place you can observe to be sure recently cached stuff is not discovered. One trick I've learned is to plant a garden over it that later becomes abandoned and overgrown with weeds. Starting a new garden gives you reason to be there and if you later abandon it nobody is the wiser.

Aunt Jemima said...

ya allz try usin' ah KFC bucket tah stash yo loot ?

c57asey said...

Three cheers for the Grand Poobah Bison allowing folks to run off at the mouth w/o neccesarily engageing the brain.
Bisonian freedom--I'll think and say what I want; thank you. C57

Come shtf I'd think that the lockers would be high on the list for scavaging by the owner/operator/hired help at the location tho'.
It's "MY" area; familiar ground; no possibility of residents; Big fence at my back and easy pickings. If shtf there's little chance of resolution for the guy that is missing his stuff. Unless you know who got the stuff, where they live, and where he stashs HIS stuff and is he still around. Then you'd have to take confrontation to his ground.
Heck I'm fairly honest but after awhile I'd sure be checking the lockers out for camping gear and such. Might be a pot belly stove/bbq grill or three in there that I can burn ikea particleboard in....

Job opportunity in the "CHANGE"ed world.
Try for the critter control and bbq'ed rat stand concession at the local landfill mine. Possum/raccoon/dog/cat specials on fri and sat; some type of fried bird on Sunday.
There is going to be a powerbase there. A cadre of Loyal trained rough neck operators of equipment that will roll over any dissidents. A lot of them already carrying a grudge 'bout being da garbage man. An already tapped methane production set up; their own power grid; machine shops, diesel engines. An organizational structure and the crushed wealth of 3 states and 80 years accumulated in a big Hill and adjacent pits.

vlad said...

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/47266

Help FEMA catch lawbreakers burying survival items.
Posted April 28th, 2008 by McClarinJ

Due to the likelihood that FEMA or other government agents will enforce restrictions that violate citizens' rights to own guns, ammunition, food reserves, and precious metals in the event of a severe depression or other calamity, some outlaws might consider burying at least some of their cache of survival items in well-sealed, unbreakable plastic containers.

more ..............

ImaOldMainer said...

Vlad: Lawbreaker??? Who me?! No I am a researcher studying the habits of squirrels.

Best if you keep the locations to yourself and make sure they have no identifying info in case they are discovered.

Double encoded location references (kept separately) should be sufficiently difficult to A) discover and B) decode.

Chad said...

Well, it looks like Rawles doesn't want to post my comments about storage facilities, so i'll repeat them here.

A couple of practical points I don't see anyone making, is that if you have a retreat location, you should store your supplies on-site. But if the retreat location isn't secure enough to leave supplies unguarded or hidden, then store your supplies *as close as possible* to it. In other words, at a storage facility in the same area! I thought it was odd when the original writer suggested to store your supplies -halfway- between home and retreat. Then, you would still have quite a load to carry the rest of the way, and you'll have to stop off in a town where you are less likely to have roots, and therefore friends. Make every effort to bug out fast and light.

Another thing is, I agree that the Hordes won't be breaking open the storage facilities right away. They don't expect the units to be filled with food and liquor. However, they might break in sooner than you expect. Locals who know which unit belongs to their prepper neighbor will probably come looking for likely supplies. Furthermore, the facilities will become home to all the refugees who know they'll find living comforts like furniture and clothes, and make shelter out of the units after emptying them of anything that can be burned for cooking and warmth.

Chad in TX