TRANSPORTING ORGANIC
Okay, today you get a token article. Tomorrow you get a short article. Friday you get another long guest article. Right now it looks like you are on your own for the weekend. Yesterday I limped into work on a slowly leaking tire, the Green Goo trying valiantly but failing to completely stop the leak. If I am right and the whole world is indeed out to get me ( because, after all, it is ALL about me ), I would swear someone is spiking the road. Here they are in a warm interior shooting down the road, and I’m the asshole for making them slow down to the speed limit and swerve around. Anyway, I had a Near Monday Day From Hell, compounded by knowing I would have to walk home afterwards. And when I just now took the bike down to the shop he was closed down tighter than a whore house the day before payday during a credit contraction. Hence, I don’t have the time for a whole lot of writing. If you’re smart you are already skipping out of work early to go visit family and could care less anyway.
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First, just to warn you, this will be another whiney article on how wrong the slow collapse people are and how wonderful and correct I am. Hey, if you don’t like it suggest some different topics for me. And after a thousand articles you know what topics I cover. I’m not going to talk about crap I have no idea about. You already think I do that with the subject matter I do cover. The fact that recently farmers are adjusting to increased artificial fertilizer prices ( along with other costs ) by going organic ( millions of acres a year according to the Druid Dude in his latest book which I loved and will review shortly ) prompts more happy joy orgasmic optimism amongst the slow collapse crowd. Okay. Great. We are already transitioning to organic. This will be a needed step towards the solar economy that will grow up after PODA. But my question is this. Now that more and more farmers are getting more sustainable, how are they going to get all that to market? A few locations will be favored by the proximities of those farms, but our entire nation is dependent on crops grown far away. Our transportation system cannot be transformed. We lack the energy, the money, and the political will to do so. City cores are no longer ringed by a green belt of farmers. They are ringed by Yuppie suburbs full of SUV’s. Food comes from hundreds and thousands of miles away. In an energy decline, you don’t build up new infrastructure.
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On an individual basis, the move to organic is relatively easy. As is the use of solar/wind/micro water. It is when you try to turn the nation to these sources that things fall apart. Too many people are in too many huge concentrations to grow organically and locally. With a huge project, perhaps a metro area could grow their own salads. But certainly not all their own food. And the surrounding land in poisoned and infertile from asphalt and lawns. There isn’t enough material they can import to transform the soil. Not quick enough anyway. Now, I’m talking about a collapse here. During a collapse, we see disruptions. One systematic failure after another. Negative feedback loops. We won’t have enough energy for long distance transport after a certain point. In the transition from global trade to local sustainability, a lot of people can’t get all the food they need. That isn’t as much of a slow collapse as it is a local die-off. Let’s look at it from another view. In ten years, the collapse of the Soviet Union saw life expectancies fall by decades. We all called that a slow collapse. Life went on for a lot of people. Yet, a lot of people died off from untreated health problems, increased diseases, alcoholism, etc. We are arguing semantics at this point, if you are more than likely to die from a fall from a First World to a Third World infrastructure rather than marauding bandits. For that matter, we don’t even look at ethnic massacres in Africa as a sudden collapse, or a die off. We just call it more of the same, the place going to hell. Perhaps the slow collapse crowd is right. Technically we won’t see a collapse. But it won’t matter to you because you are dead from street violence or an untreated heart condition.
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I’m not trying to win an argument by changing definitions ( mainly it is sarcasm ). I still think in a very short period of time a very large number of people will die. And the biggest cause will be that while we still produce a lot of food, it won’t reach far away locations. Plan accordingly. Or just ignore me since I don’t garden organically.
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Wednesday, November 25, 2009
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That this population can continue to eat through shortage, strike, embargo, riot, war- or any of the other large-scale affections that societies have always been heir to and that industrial societies are uniquely vulnerable to- is not a certainty or even faith; it is a superstition.
-Wendell Berry
Agricultural Solutions For Agricultural Problems
1978
arghhh
Are you trying to say we are all going to die?
Actually, i believe that the people of USA can eat through the PODA, as long as some basic infrastructure stays in operation. Hydro power, solar power and wind power provides immense energy each year, Of course, the power needs of USA today are far greater than that electricity production, but if it is rationed the right way that power can keep water running and sewage plants working and those are the most important utilities. The water that is today used to water lawns and to keep middleclass kids bathing in their private pools at their parents MacMansions can be used to water microgardens in each and every suburbia backyard. Even in California or texas it is possible to get good harvests on little water if you manage your garden right. teaching people to manage their garden right can and will be done through TV as the end of oil will see the return of power to nations rather than corporations. Actually, given the right methods and the right will you can farm your sorry piece of desert badland, if you just get off your back and stop bitching about your trailertrashsurvivalist lifestyle for one hour each day everyday.
//Simon Åslund operator of Swedishsurvivalist.egetforum.se
Simon. forget TV. Permaculture is already all over youtube
http://tinyurl.com/ykogkte
and iTunes University.
You know the government will come through a program to help people in the EOTWAWKI.
But in the event the my MAN your press. Doesn't come through even though we know he will. Just for the sake of discussion It would be possible;to convert the rail ways to steam engine power.
This could provide cattle and produce to the states in West and East from the producing states in central US. (central states are the only states that are worth their weight)
Still meney will die but there is some hope for some that survive to see a POST. re-build
Not that I give a SHIT.
My survival plans are to live with my crew in the forests bordering cities and towns. Then moving on after we have pillaged there resources. one town after the next. so far my group is only 15 but that's a good number to overtake smaller groups. On motor bikes we can move cheap and covertly.
My spelling and sentence structure sucks............I've had way to many KingCobras tonight.
Actually, i dont believe that they will move from diesel to steam trains, i believe that they will do what Sweden started doing more than a hundred years ago and electrify the railways, even the cross country ones. I believe that in a energylacking society there will be electricityrationing for the people (and offices and factories) so that infrastructure may get its fix of energy. most of the energy the common man uses today are actually for convenience, not for need. You drive to the shop that you could walk or ride a bike to, you drive to the gym since you are too lazy to ride a bike or walk to the shop, you use Air conditioning since you are to cheap to get a well insulated house to begin with, or a heater for the same reason. A good fridge or heater dont use all that much electricity, nor does a stove if you use pressure cookers and other smart appliances, your 50" plasma screen and surround sound on the other hand uses copious amounts of electricity.
My 24" desktop computer flatscreen probably drinks as much electricity on standby as my Acer A110 drinks when in use.
I believe that if people and .gov does anything at all right the only things we will loose in the PODA is convenience and luxury (of course, sheeple and .gov are not well known for doing anything at all right).
I was referring to a society where fossil fuels are obsolete.Steam and animal power are all that's available, In a Mad Max type situation or in a TEOTWAWKI. By obsolete I mean not in mas production.
You are right society could change to a lower power consumption lifestyle. People wont be willing to make that change. Fossil fuels are the only cost effective form of power generation,in use today. Nuclear is not in use in an effective scale. Hydro power is good but dams are expensive. Solar power is way to expensive, and power generation from solar is impotent. Wind power is great but it only works in windy locations.
If the collapse were slow perhaps society could adapt to other forms of power sources.
We haven't yet.
We are in a slow collapse now and still no significant change.
Speaking of CHANGE, I have a VERY liberal family relative. She is very concerned with the environment. She recycles and drives here hybrid car to her government funded job that pays very well. Her house is another story. Her hot tub heater is on all the time her fridge is a huge power consuming pig. Her big screen TV is on all the time. Im talking 500.00 power bills. I could go on but why. This hypocrite advocate of conservation is stupid and unaware of her fossil fuel consumption.
She is whats wrong with this country!
Another thought on hydro power.
We could have funded many dams with the bailout money.We could have solved unemployment in the dam building. We did it before with the Army core of engineers. We didn't do it this time. It wasn't an oversight.
This ship is going down. Its not an accident.
SIMON, what is PODA?
PODA is of course the Post Oil Dark Ages.
Building new hydro power is probably not a good idea since hydro dams destroys local eco systems, using existing hydro plants is another thing entirely. There are many ways we can restructure our society to be more sustainable at low costs today, if we are willing.
Environmental concerns are a down fall of hydro dams. We have Eco damage when building a road and mass Eco damage from the building of cites. There is no perfect answer.
You need to break an egg to make an omelet.
My preference for power generation is nuclear. It is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
The problem with nuclear power (at least fission) if we disregard safety and waste issues is that at current use the reserves of fissionable materials is less than one hundred years and if construction of new nuclear plants takes off that number will dwindle significantly.
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