DESERT WATER
Biguns, bless his pea picken heart, is always ready to throw me a softball for an article idea. Just a general rambling about where to live in the desert in relation to water. Now, I could have gone off about economics. Like, half the states are borrowing money to pay unemployment benefits. Or global trade has declined 15% last year, compared to 5% after 9/11 or 11% in the 70’s. Or how the FDIC fund is broke and at a negative eight billion for last quarter. Or, I could have wished everyone a Happy Pearl Harbor Day, where we should all take a moment out of our day and curse the black evil twisted heart of FDR for all eternity in the lowest depths of Hell for condemning the military members at the site to a watery grave so that his banker buddies could make even more money by trading away our stockpile of oil and metal ores to get us out of a Depression they started and stimulate the economy with a global war. It wasn’t in the nations ( but the bankers ) interest to have a war. The Nazi’s and Communists would have wore each other out, the British would have lost the Commonwealth and we could have peacefully taken over the whole place. Unless of course, we actually stole the nuclear bomb from the Germans and had to wage a conventional fight to get to it first. Why else would it make sense to fly over hundreds of sorties from Germany with their fissionable material? Perhaps they weren’t as far behind in their bomb as our propaganda suggests. That would be an interesting concept to research. But for now, back to something vaguely resembling survivalism.
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I’ve always loved the desert. I like trees and mountains, but the desert seems natural. Perhaps because I grew up in southern California and its all one big desert with a few pipes from the Sierra’s keeping everyone alive. I think I would have preferred the low desert where keeping cool is the regular problem rather than up in the high desert where nine months out of the year your nipples are rock hard from the cold. Alas, every crippled up old fart is either playing golf courses every three blocks or trying not to have a coronary in Wal-Mart all over Florida and the southwest. The low desert is a very crowded place. And that is a recipe for disaster eventually. Already Phoenix is sinking each year due to the water table being sucked down to water said golf courses or wash the Cadillac’s needed to get to said Wal-Marts. In a few years the millions of people there not being sniped at in the re-conquest of Old Mexico are going to be dying of thirst as the petroleum runs out to pump the water. The high desert, with the exception of the edges of the Great Basin ( Reno, Salt Lake ) is a pretty empty place. There may not be water everywhere, but there are plenty of places that are close to a river but have no population ( there are other good places with water but no population such as near the Pecos in west Texas, but I’m sticking close to home right now ).
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Do not buy any desert property that is not close to running water. Do not rely on a well unless you have a backup source in naturally occurring water. It might not have to be in walking distance, if you have the means to pick up and move closer to the water come the collapse. But it probably is a good idea. You can also do the roof collection of rain deal. If you discipline yourself to three gallons of water a day you won’t need much roof or storage capacity. But I prefer to do my water collection at the city park, with the river as a backup. The Humboldt River is hundreds of miles long and it only passes by a few small cities. And I am only one mile away from it at my present location. Worse comes to worse, I can walk a few gallons back in a pack every day. Before you buy junk desert land, look at the atlas for a nearby river.
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You could worry about whether the west is in a long term drought and if the snow pack won’t be disappearing soon. I don’t, not because it can’t happen but because I can stay mobile. No, I can’t cart hundreds of pounds of wheat to a lusher area after Gore Warning dries us out. By that time I’m sure I’ll already have eaten it all anyway. Plus used up most of my ammo. If I’m still alive. The desert isn’t that tough of a place. You just need to live close to a natural water source and forget about a well. You also need to forget about gardening. Conserving isn’t impossible, you just need to adjust to not being so special you need a golf course in Palm Springs.
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Monday, December 07, 2009
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Biguns, Good idea for a topic!
Jim, Good post!even though I never tire of corrupt gov. discussion. This time I get corruption, practical survival,and sarcasm! Always a good read!
The cold is worrisome to me. I live in Montana and the winters are of arctic conditions. I would think, Nevada would be similar.I'm in California right now tie-in up some BS. Even though,I long for my home of wind swept grasslands, I'm dreading the winter cold, of Mt.I'm almost reluctant to leave but, Ca. is so screwed-up I would prefer the arctic cold, to the Ca. socialist coma.(no offense to Ca. survivalists)
But , to make my point if a person has never experienced arctic cold, Its a must to experience first hand. Hopefully, before they already live in-it.
At my place there are days its, -30F with wind speeds of 50mph and gusts much higher. The -30F is not a typo. That is actual temp and does not include wind chill. Livestock can and will die. People ill prepared will die. If a Person of warmer origin, wants a quick idea of the cold. Climb in your freezer at home and relish the warmth. The conditions I described are 50 degrees colder than your freezer at home, again that does not include the wind chill.
I'm not knocking the cold climate for a retreat. I'm only suggesting to consider a plan to survive the cold with no propane, and limited source of firewood. By the way, sage is good firewood, or at least its better than nothing. It would be hard to gather enough for a winter.
I had another thought.
An advantage to cold climate. Refugees will succumb to the elements, before they happen-by your retreat.
Lord Bison,I'm here to help you.
I know the garden thing has been ruled out before, and on your topic today......I was thinking, your water source is only a mile away,If you need to travel there every day for water (post collapse);why not have a gorilla garden, at your water source?
Tend to your garden on the water trips. A two mile walk (both ways)is not that bad.
Can you get to your water source by bike? Why walk when one can ride.
Buck I was sorta thinking the same thing,a garden close to the river might be feasible.
Hauling water for a garden won't work,for one bushel of corn (56 pounds) you need about 3000 gallons of water.
There was an interesting show on the Military Channel a couple weeks ago about the Germans and their nukes.
They had tested one and were about to test the second.
Hitler was quoted as saying "May God forgive me for the last 5 minutes of the war"..
With the current state of the world it makes you wonder if maybe we wouldn't have been better off with the krauts. ;)
Guns,
Another possible advantage to having a garden separate from the retreat. If the location were compromised you wouldn't lose both. They would find one or the other.
I did a couple of topics on using a mining claim for a retreat.Its an option for a person with no money. Find both here:
http://visualizefredom.blogspot.com/
Its not as good as owing land, but better than standing in-line at a soup kitchen.
I just went back and looked. There on two different pages. I did one this morning and the other is listed in older posts or use the "tag" bar for retreats at: http://visualizefredom.blogspot.com/
"At my place there are days its, -30F with wind speeds of 50mph and gusts much higher. The -30F is not a typo."
And suddenly the western Washington rain doesn't seem so bad...
Michael,
Ive thought of relocating to Washington or Oregon,many times.
The free gun laws of Montana help to keep me here.
Im in Ca right now, I wouldn't dare carry here....I dont want to give them any excuses to throw my ass in jail. You cant even keep a gun with ammo in your car here.No gun is like being naked.
At home my gun is almost always with me or in my truck...loaded.
Its legal to carry in Mt. You just cant conceal carry in the cities, like Billings or Bozeman and the like.Loaded in a vehicle is still ok (not considered concealed).
sorry, carry 3 gallons of water 2 miles everyday... har har har, your all going to die.....
some women in africa might actually do something like that, but amerikans with their carpal tunnel syndrome and inability to change a channel on the glass toilet without a remote, can't and won't...
well for all you gay pedophiles that dream of Hitler and return of the 3rd reich, don't forget to vote LIBERTARIAN. that's right IF YOU VOTE LIBERTARIAN, THE NAZI'S WILL WIN WWII (TM)...well at least according Keith Olberman and their ilk... plus i'm sure Rush "pill head" Limbaugh would agree....
(really these idiot asses will actually claim that if you go vote 'libertarian' and an 'isolationist' wins the white house today, somehow, the nazi's will win WWII.. oblivious to the fact that Hitler has been dead for over 66.6 years and the Nazi cause lost).
i really can't believe any of you morons want a military government to "save us" much less haven't figured out your currently enjoying the early stages of a totalitarian police state.... have you no shame ? haven't you been whipped enough ?
"sorry, carry 3 gallons of water 2 miles everyday... har har har, your all going to die....."
We should send that to JWR, for his Quotable Quotes.
The Nevada desert does sound tempting for it's seclusion. I read that when that rich adventurer (his name escapes me) went missing in his plane, they searched and found 4 previously undiscovered small plane crashes. Now that's seclusion! Water is everything though. Without it means certain death. But a person could stockpile ahead of time to avoid the daily trek to the river. Remember, the best way to transport heavy cargo is via trailer. Even a small vehicle could pull 500 gallons of water (water weighs 8.34 lbs/gal). Cisterns are the key for long term water storage.
Good topic Jim. Ripe for another post or two (or three) on it.
Oh, and don't worry about ever running out of ammo Jim. Not with your bolt-actions anyways ;)
Buck- and All- another great benefit of cold weather, aside from keeping riff-raff in the warmer climes, is that it kills a lot of disease causing germs.
Another thing I emjoy is having free refrigeration six months a year. And silly as it seems, fishing over ice covered water is as productive as summer fishing- and a boat is unnecessary.
Thirty below is cold, all right. But the body gets used to it quickly and when the temp rises to zero, it actually feels warm.
Jim-- have you ever used a 'solar still' to gather/attempt to gather water? Only a quart or so a day with a small one, six foot square, but several? I wonder...
LOL at the 'make money fast'... if it's so good, why sell it? Invest what you have and get all the money in the world into your bank account, then buy the peons in dotgov. Damn.
Shy III
Shy,
That's some good points. I guess there's even a silver lining to -30.
I agree,I would rather fight the cold in the remote lands, than fight predators in the city.
A country can survive.
I thought you desert guys got the same weather as me. I hate the cold too. ya know, If I could, I'd skip across the border to Mexico. That's nice and warm....I dont know how Id make a living though.
Chucklin', OldSubotai... I know your agony with the arthritis, which is one reason I'm stayin' put i this cold-ass climate: we have 'dry' cold as compared to what the 'southern' areas get. What I really hate is the hot humidity we get of summer, when my arthritis- color me with no cartilege- and my body just ACHES to no end!
Still, be as it may, I'm all for staying away from the sewage scum living in the metro areas. It's abso-friggin-lutely Wonderful they freeze their scum sucking asses off in winter.
Gee- did I mention the forecast is for minus 20 windhills tonite, minus 30 tomorrow with the wind and temps not getting above zero for a few days? I love it.
Well, I'm lyin', too. I don't love it, but it's what I'm used to, and like you, don't see any changes coming soon, either.
Oh, yes- I almost did die walking across that Mojave back in the 70's. Great country- love it, too.
Shy III
Do you have copy writer for so good articles? If so please give me contacts, because this really rocks! :)
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