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Retirement? What retirement?
I have been pondering this whole "Retirement" issue for almost as long as I've been working. Yes, I'm a youngish man (38) and so I'm no where as near a legitimate retirement age as some of you but it seems to be what we are all working towards, so I do think about it often!
First, what does "Retirement" really mean? Is it that magic age when we have worked for a company long enough to qualify for a pension? Is it when our investment advisor calls telling us we have reached the total of 3.25 million dollars that they always seem to expect we will need to actually live out the rest of our lives? Maybe it's the year we get to sick to work anymore and have to choose between eating or taking our medications? What is retirement to you? I know that we won't actually find a single answer to this question because I don't believe that there is only one answer!
I'm just going to take a shot at this and share some of my thoughts on what it means to me, at least at this point in my life. Like I said, I'm only 38 years old but like most of you I have been working "full-time plus" all of my adult life. Actually, I was one of those ambitious youths of yester-year who went looking for ways to make money from a young age... I was mowing lawns for family friends starting at about 10 years old, newspaper routes, then babysitting at age 12 and a real after school job (paid cash under the table, of course) working for a nursery wholesaler when I turned 13. All of this done with the blessing of my folks who have always been hard working entrepreneurs themselves.
So, as far as my basic math skills will allow me to add these years all up I have been working/earning in some fashion for over 25 years. Yes the full time job has only been 20 of those years, so I can't compete for sympathy with all you old-timers reading this. The point is how many years do we have to work before we are allowed to feel entitled to slack up or even "Retire"?
When I was growing up, I recall there being companies that would give a pension to a worker after they completed 20 years of faithful service... Not a bad deal, if it was ever true and I don't know first hand if it was? I do know that when I worked a county government job, we were part of the Washington State pension program. This retirement program was as close to a true pension program as I have ever heard of. You would work to what ever calculated/negotiated age and years of service and than you became vested. This vested status would allow you to either take or be eligible to take a retirement pension check at some point in the future. Also, not a bad deal, if you have the ability to deal with all the politics and games that come with government or large company employment. I didn't have the patience for that and only worked for them 11 years! That's right ONLY 11 years, so no big payout coming down the road for me... Shucks!
Truthfully, there wouldn't have been a big payout coming down the road even if I had stayed! That's why I left a cushy, under-worked - overpaid government union job for the hazards of self-employment! I was told by co-workers that I was making a big mistake but I left anyway. I do miss the paid vacation, holidays, sick and comp-time days off, the medical insurance was pretty good too but it was all those years of my life being sucked down the crap hole that I just couldn't tolerate!
I went to work for this particular employer when I was 19 years old and wouldn't have been eligible for my pension check until I was 67 or with an early retirement PENALTY if I bailed out early at 59.5 years of age. That's right, I was fortunate to get a good J-O-B, when I was 19 and I stayed as long as I could and remain sane. The carrot they dangled in front of me was enticing, at least to young man. A pension check of up to 60% of my working wage, when I turned 67 years old...
If you are just reading this and not doing the math, let me help you... I would have to work until I was at least 59.5 or 40YEARS, to be eligible to collect a penalised pension check... I thought for a number of years that this would be the course I would take. That was until I found out exactly what the PENALTY was for daring to take an "Early Retirement", after 40 YEARS of service. They were going to reduce the percentage of my wage from the full potential of 60% by 2% per year that I left early. So that would be 60% minus 17% to equal a maximum of 43% of my then current wage!
Yes, I made relatively good money on payday and extremely good money for the amount of effort that I had to put in every day. It wasn't the work, it was the time that killed me! It wasn't even the 43% pension calculation, still a good deal to be able to collect a check for the rest of your life. Unfortunately it was the required attendance at a J-O-B for 40 or more years to be eligible to play that game.
Next, I discovered the 401K retirement route. This is a great option - for the employer! If we the workers put money in the 401K then and only then do the employers have to contribute some of the companies money to your retirement account. I have spoken to many people over the years that when questioned about their retirement, they explain that their company has a 401K program! However, when I ask how much they are contributing to the their account, they hem and haw. This says to me that they aren't participating and therefore the employer isn't either. So that eventually come to a bottom line of they will not have a retirement account!
Sticking with this 401K account for just a few more minutes, let's look at how the plan works? If you and your employer DO contribute to the plan, what happens to your money? It typically goes into some sort of investment account right... I agree, as close as I can tell that is where it should be going... This account has certain tax advantages and to play this game by the rules, the money stays safely put away for that mystical day in the future when we might retire. The basis for this plan is also age based...
Now, I know you're thinking we all have the options to handle these things on our own through an IRA or something similar. Skip the employer angle and we can just take care of our own investments and be self reliant. Yes, I agree we should all be self reliant but even with an individual retirement account, we are still held to the age based requirements of grave edge withdrawals... I say this somewhat in jest as I know that 59.5 or even 67 years old isn't the graveyard's gate for most of us in America. If you do your own calculations against the average life expectancy now days, we are not many years away though? I believe I read that 73 years was the average age of death for an American male.
Lets say we all had the option to retire with a pension check at 59.5 years old, that would be 13.5 years before the statistics show most of us would have checked out. I don't know about you but if I'm going to work for 40 years, I'm going to need a bigger incentive than a poverty level pension check monthly for the next 13 years. When we look at what that pension check will have to be stretched to pay for, what will we have left? The only thing I see being left over at the end of that check will be a whole lot of MONTH!
I don't want to sound to depressing and I do have some ideas on what can be done to improve our situation both now and in the rapidly approaching future. Stay turned for part 2 tomorrow!
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31 comments:
The goverment will eventually sieze every retirement dollar out there, because they are evil bastards! If you are under 50, NO RETIREMENT FOR YOU(unless you inherit an ass load of money) But they will give you treasurie's for a life time of work(what a deal)
What does retirement have to do with survival?(I have to ask this question before the retarted homosexuals that some times comment on this site ask it) SURVIVAL IS LIVING AND LIVING IS SURVIVAL!
HEY DAKEN- YOU FINALY WROTE SOMETHING WORTH READING! oh I forgot. it's a guest article
Errr Kevin, apparently you didn't "read" the post if you have to ask what retirement has to do with survival. Survival is living and living is survival? I agree and that is why there was discussion of LIFE expectancy! Hello!
What we have here is a failure to communicate. To be honest I can't figure out why Dakin and Creekmore don't say fuck you all and stop posting all together.
It is obvious neither make much money doing this. Hell I'm sure both could better spend the time needed to write their blogs doing other things to further their personal survival.
It seems all they get here is whiners and complaints it is sad when people complain about a free service. What has this world came to?
Sometimes reading comments here make me ashamed to be a prepper or associated with such people. Where has all the real survivors gone?
"It is obvious neither make much money doing this."
har har har, who is these days ? well except for the banksters and their kept politicians...
you wouldn't believe how many folks i know saw their 'pensions' get 'shed' during the good times on wall street. how many people have lost half or more of their (401)k, Roths, and IRA's. How many people who's mortgages are underwater. how many people have lost their jobs...
The point is: IT'S SURVIVAL TIME. Think 2010 as a FINANCIAL HATTI on the horizon. It's END GAME for the system...
plus one to kevin:
When the 401k wagon rolled into town folks my age were greedily anticipating a fat old fart lifestyle if they put their $ in the magic bottle. I wasn't eligible to join. When Iras developed $$ was too tight for me.
I delighted in taking the spoiler/wingnut position "ya really think they're [tptb] gonna let us all get fat and sassy? and what's that buck going to be worth? Let me go over the demographics of Social Security with you..."
After my retirement; in my new retirement job; I did sign up. My company claims they give a match. That match is taken from the gsa money I'd supposedly draw anyway.
YUK-YUK.
damn this table is crooked; surprise surprise surprise
Unless Geoff is right and the magic fairy dust truck is right around the corner; "retirement" is/was a short lived phenom anyhoo.
It's overated anyway unless your head is properly aligned.
Ask yourself, Why do so many retirees sit around yakkin about health concerns and their bodily functions so much? How much "fun" ya gonna have in the ltcf?
Do you want to be that person?
Find something you love and never spend a day at work are wise words.
C57
anonymous 6:36 Aparently you didn't READ my comment, I know what retirement has to do with survival,I was answering that for the Anonymous idiots that frequent this blog before they could post!
HEY DAKEN- sorry about my comment at 6:23, just giving you shit man, I have only been commenting in your comment section a couple of days, but have been reading it a long time.
Nowadays most people figure they well work till they die!I ask and folks tell me they cant afford to retire.I think you need to have everything paid for and live a lifestyle that has knothing to do with keeping up with anyone.The way the economy is going i well retire soon,its called no job!and i can post any dam way i want.RJ.
I retired in June of 09 at the age of 55 with 37 years of working. Yes I took a 25% cut and yes I worked for an evil empire utility. Luckily I had both a pension & a 401. I have no payments of any sort and have invested my money with a financial advisor that looks like Mr.Magoo and I get about $60,000 a year. My medial insurance is paid for by the company. There is still hope for you young people if you just keep at it and don't spend yourselves into financial ruin. Plan and live within your means.
Almost 20 years ago when they payed people to come around to our factory and hit us up to contribute to our new 401k I knew it was a scam. They fed us the line that in 30 years we could have a million to retire on,and I thought yeah what will a million be worth in 30 years.I didnt care if my employer was matching up to 10% or not , I said no thanks and never put a dime in that scam.I needed my money now and not 30 or 40 years later after some bank had got rich using my money and inflation had eaten it up.
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Inflation is as violent as a mugger, as frightening as an armed robber and as deadly as a hit man.
Ronald Reagan
I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself.
Ronald Reagan
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."
Ronald Reagan
Boo Hoo buck... The State of Illinois is 'defacto' bankrupt. The police pension funds disappeared years ago, the State Workers Pension is empty and the state is 6 months behind on it's bills...
And it's in better shape than California.
You'll be eating worms in no time. Suck 'em down boys....
Did somebody forget to tell WallMart we are in an Economic recovery?
11,200 job cuts:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35046668/ns/business-retail/?GT1=43001
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."
Ronald Reagan
YA, were all bankrupt. Reagan was being funny. You know its to big....Get it now?
I hope the ground thaws before I have to dig for worms........Now I have to share my worms with the ex-WalMart employees.
We will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be prepared, so we will always be free.
Ronald Reagan
You're too young to remember well the hunger etc of the 70s, that was like the Depression and a good formative experience for the coming times (although I don't think almost losing a sibling to malnutrition and weighing under 100 lbs at age 18 was fun, thank goodness for the Army and their great food)/
Hopefully you used your earning years to put aside lots of preps and you are at least, at LEAST, as paranoid as Bison is. Bison's an easy-going member of the well-fed bourgeousie compared to me, AIM FOR MAXIMUM DOOM.
Theoretically, I could go out and get a job. In theory. In theory I could win the lottery too. But assuming I could, now I'm trading time for money, a lot of time for well, for me a lot of money even at minimum wage but, now where's my time to put myself through a course of practical chemistry, learn more bike mechanic'ing, gunsmithing, welding, inventing, building a good shelter/bunker etc? I'm training to be an EMT but I am looking at working it part time - take shifts others don't like and have free time to work on doom Doom DOOM!
"Reagan was being funny. You know its to big....Get it now?"
Well the joke is on me then..what a bummer, went out and bought a six pack, and while i was at it, another bag of rice.
The beer is gone and i'm still depressed. Fried worms and rice, with a dash of Tabasco sauce, yum. Makes me think of the gipper safely laid to rest at Forest Lawn and finally doing something productive (like feeding worms).
Oh, I invested in Pennsylvanian Oil leases when I was 34, now 15 years later I make $750,000 a year. You can to if you work hard, pay your bills, and live within your means.
Otherwise make sure you marry money, doesn't look like there's any openings for Walwart Greeters.
"Oh, I invested in Pennsylvanian Oil leases when I was 34, now 15 years later I make $750,000 a year. You can to if you work hard, pay your bills, and live within your means."
Two questions: Are you female, and single?
Its OK if your fat.
If its to soon to discuss marriage, do you need a stable boy or pool cleaner?
If your a male, would your wife like some domestic help?
I look good naked with a hat and boots.
Anon 7:06, The Joke is not on you! Its on us, Those fuckers in office have been fucking all of us.
By the way prepper, good article. The depressing thing is I'm the same age (not really old like Jim) but still old enough, Its to late to run out and get a cushy Guberment job, wouldn't want one anyways, the only chance is to make it big as an entrepreneur, but in a folding economy its a challenge. Perhaps a civil war is the best option.
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Entrepreneurs and their small enterprises are responsible for almost all the economic growth in the United States.
Ronald Reagan
Recession is when a neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours.(recovery is when Obama loses his)
Ronald Reagan
(I added the Obama part)
By the way, Is it just me or does anyone else suspect Michelle Obama is a "she-male" ?
He was thinking of Jim when this was written:
Ronald Reagan quotes:
An informed patriotism is what we want.
Jim, when your reading this Monday morning, I hope the Michelle thing didn't cause you to cough up coffee, out your nose.
Hey not surprising, but there are whispers of Scott Brown for 2012.
I have a slogan: "The differences are black and white; What can Brown do for YOU"
i know what retirement is its what the politicions are spendind now. just a scary thought we may have to depend on our kids our last few years . hope mine get over the whippings and groundings they got
Anon 9:05,
Obama says with a smile and a wad of cash in hand "here is your retirement;and there it goes", 'waves' as Joe wall street walks out the door.
You were just going to spend it anyways.....
Obama-nomics:
Us Subjects work for the Gobrment target 70% The other30% are on goberment assistance's programs.
When more money is needed, they just print it!
It's like the Mongloides (HG Wells) we dont ask why.....we just do as we are told.
WORMS?Whats all this talk about eating worms? I've eaten worms, they are gritty and hairy and taste like dirt. Pass on the worms boys and girls. Crickets and grubs are much better and easier to get.
hey BUCK, I have been saying m. obama is a SHIM (she,him)since the first day I saw it!
Ronald Reagan quotes:
Man is not free unless government is limited.... As government expands, liberty contracts.
Ronald Reagan quotes:
Our natural, inalienable rights are now considered to be a dispensation from government, and freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp as it is at this moment.
Ronald Reagan quotes:
The federal government has taken too much tax money from the people, too much authority from the states, and too much liberty with the Constitution.
Ronald Reagan quotes:
The NRA believes America's laws were made to be obeyed and that our Constitutional liberties are just as important today as 200 years ago. And by the way, the Constitution does not say Government shall decree the right to keep and bear arms. The Constitution says 'The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'
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