Pretty cleaver, isn’t it? It just came to me. No, you are not as witty, your hair does not look as nice, and your mother dressed you in combat boots
. As I’m presently reading militia fiction, and since a minion asked about it, I’ll cover gun confiscation. In short, I’m not sure it will happen positively. I don’t discount it totally, but I question the effectiveness of the effort. As usually, being just as single minded as the rest of you, I like to pick one lens to view my reality through and then ignore all other inputs. It’s the oil. Declining oil
, declining energy, does not see a build up of control long term but a decrease in centralization. The long term part is the stickler. In an effort to retain the control slipping with the economy, does the government have the means to impose gun control or does it simple pacify the regions it wants with food control? Or is it going to be a combination? I have no reason to be any more sure than you, but you pay me the big bucks to reason these kinds of questions through.*
First off, the government has to simply start totally regulating the manufacture of ammunition to get its 80/20 results. It doesn’t have to kick down every door. Not that they would have the manpower. It simply over taxes ammunition. Or declares their components “vital to the national security under Patriot Act Four” or something similar. You will still have at most 20% of the gun owners heavily armed and with reloading components to last three generations, but you won’t have to worry about the other 80% who will have one box of ammo for each gun, thinking the store will be their back stock. Now, I’m not saying that the government doesn’t love bloated employment roles. But in an energy decline, limited resources must to prioritized. Look at Afghanistan
. We are paying truckers to haul in supplies because for this war we don’t have the helicopter fleet that we did in Vietnam
. Less resources. Limited resources point toward keeping our dwindling oil supplies pumping and being transported, not chasing after guns in the Homeland
. *
Again, it wouldn’t hurt to perhaps bury a gun out of the way. If you live in a state that allows private sales, you claim that one was sold. But make sure to have one they can confiscate for that strategy to even have a chance of working. Living in a Nanny State
? Move, or just prepare to give up your guns if it ever comes to that. Private sales in reality have pretty much dried up to nothing everywhere. People aren’t giving up their guns like they used to. And forget buying an old antique unless you can pick it up in person. Any other way leaves a paper trail. If you are poor, you can make a plumbing pipe shotgun. Just beware that if found you are now a terrorist with bomb making material. Perhaps a crossbow 
would be better. Don’t totally ignore the threat, but also don’t be terribly freaked out about it ( as long as you have enough ammo ).END
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17 comments:
As the economy continues to crater, and the food shortages kick in, confiscation won't be necessary. People will voluntarily give them up at the "Guns For Food" drop off. The 20% you referred to will get the Katrina treatment. Sounds good on paper anyways....
You can read about the Canadian Gun Registry and how it failed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Firearms_Registry
It is in the process of being dropped and hopefully soon will be concluded. I'm even willing to forgive the massive 1 Billion dollar cost from tax payers pockets if they just make it go away :)
It would be pretty difficult to pick up even a small percentage of the guns out there. At least in my part of the country, the South, there would be very tepid enthusiasm for implementing such a program on the part of our law enforcement. I suppose the government could bring in federal types to try it, but it would be very dangerous and such individuals would be highly unpopular. If they thought tracking down Eric Rudolf was hard in the North Carolina mountains, wait till they try to take peoples guns.
Good stuff, good thinking as always. Patriot Act IV love it.
The average Joe with a gun will also blast up what he has in short order. Hell I used to go out to the range and just blast away, myself. It takes time and training to develop discipline, a good day "shooting" may only take one round, if it's a good stealth suburban hit on a crow, or in the coming times, a critter for dinner or one of the enemy.
For some reason, a large number of us, I think, got it at one time. There were a flurry of sniper books, interest in the Remington 40X, the Winchester 700, and all sorts of sniper-y rifles. I remember reading one sniper fiction book (they were almost as prevalent as doomer fiction now, and if there'd been the Internet.... ) where the hero would get up in the morning, and make ONE SHOT on a target. When asked about his method of training, he said that for the coming job he'd been hired to do, he was gonna be out in a hide, and get one chance, one shot, from a cold barrel. So, that's what he practiced. That's pretty extreme, but for a while there, fire discipline was sexy.
The time was the early to mid-90s.
Then I think things veered off into how great it'd be to have an accurized M14 or M1A, for those back-up shots just in case you know, and the newer military round, the SS109, and proper barrel twist started making the M16 competative at Perry. I think it came down to, there are times when a quick follow-up shot IS going to be very handy and people know this, plus frankly, once you've sold someone their nice bolt gun and you've sold 'em a nice pillar bedding job and a Johnson stock, what more can you sell 'em? And they do sip ammo. Face it, it's a tool not a centrifugal bumblepuppy. It hardly encourages further consumption any more than selling the customer a Crescent wrench.
But it seems in the early to mid-90s the gun control/confiscation issue was coming to a head. The gov't was running roughshod over a lot of people and the people were getting pissed. A few got pissed off enough to fight back, and that backed the gov't down (note I do not approve of their methods, just the observer here).
Things quieted down for a few years, studies showed gun control increases crime, and the next big excitement was 9-11 and the whole war against terrorism thing. Keep in mind it's terrorism if some Muslim anachronism saws off that Berg guy's head, causing half the little kids in America to think "they killed Big Bird" and be traumatized - it's not terrorism if the US turns Haiti into one big concentration camp and then uses the earthquake as an excuse to starve as many of 'em as possible out of existence and move in for the Mil/Corp occupation. It's terrorism if it's done with some homemade Rube Goldberg bomb with a delivery system of .... yourself, it's not if it's done with fighter planes and gunships.
So anyway, the new heroes (and as individuals they are) are the troops, and the troops use.... lots of semi-auto fire! Being able to dump ammo downrange is glorified, and it's OK I guess since the troops have a supply tail that keeps it coming.
But fighting to defend home and farm and family and folks, won't have any supply tail. Each round will count, and you may end up asking yourself if you needed to use a round at all, rather than some other method. And for a short while there, it seems we got it.
BTW - please mention if you can view DVDs still, I know books are OK, the thing is, many of us are not wealthy enough to buy from Amazon and besides, don't participate in the modern banking or credit system at all. We have books though, and sometimes DVDs, and Media Mail's affordable for us to send these gifts to you.
HEY DAKEN- Every day I come to your site, HOPING, PRAYING, and ANTISIPATING saying: your post sucked ass today, but yet again, my plans are foiled! Good post brother!
Gun confiscation is very low on my list of worries. A fellow who knows about these things told me that our current system of defacto registration via record keeping is useful for finding who owns a gun found by a corpse. It is not so useful for telling what guns Jimmy Thomson from Centerville, NV owns. A more sophisticated database may be set up but that would be illegal and is a conspiracy theory.
Also not using Choppers for everything in Afghanistan is likely more about distance than anything else. Taking stuff from our boats to outposts in Nam via helicopter makes sense. Afghanistan is very far from the ocean so we truck stuff in.
Caching a couple guns is on my list of things to do.
I really appreciate your comment about having a gun they CAN confiscate. I often tell people to buy the gun the really need "off-grid". Then, have a cheap junker with a paper trail to pacify the goons and feign compliance like a good little non-dangerous slave.
Damn jim, just when ammo prices are stabilizing you are going to start another run on ammo.
whats up with the screening of comments before they post. Maybe you should just go back to letting the sign ins post
Have you fix up that place yet. how's about some new pics. I would really like to see the insulation job on the inside
Appreciate the response. Reasoning makes sense.
I know you have your cheap rifle of choice the enfield? But do you have a cheap handgun of choice? I've always been addicted to the CZ-52, cheap but sometimes ammo can be a problem unless you reload. your faithful minion
You'd have to have a functional government to have gun confiscation. We're more likely to go the other way, gun proliferation. And lots of stressed out people with access to firearms and little training in their use mean lots of dead people from accidents, suicides, petty grievances, domestic violence...
At least that's the way I'm looking at things.
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KBR, a subsidiary of Halliburton Inc employees these truck drivers. They are part of the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP) a U.S. Army initiative that provides support from civilian contractors for Department of Defense missions in wartime and other contingencies.
They are providing life and logistical support for U.S, forces in Afghanistan, The Republic of Georgia, Kuwait and Iraq; with support operations in Dubai, UAE.
KBR truck drivers make 70,000 to 100,000 grand a year, doubling what I do as a U.S. Military Contracting Officer here in Iraq. I know that KBR has a 10-year employment contract with the federal government, another possible reason for the trucking in, instead of helicoptering.
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theotherryan said...
"Gun confiscation is very low on my list of worries. A fellow who knows about these things told me that our current system of defacto registration via record keeping is useful for finding who owns a gun found by a corpse. It is not so useful for telling what guns Jimmy Thomson from Centerville, NV owns. A more sophisticated database may be set up but that would be illegal and is a conspiracy theory. "
We can argue whether it's a conspiracy theory or not, but all the Feds have to do is simultaneously raid all the FFL's and capture their 4473 forms. That's a pretty complete record of all people who bought firearms from FFL's. The next step gets a bit dicey, because once they start raiding private homes to confiscate, some of the owners (3%? 20%?) will only be willing to part with the bullets, not the rest of the cartridges.
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