COLLAPSE NAYSAYERS
At the risk of being just like my baggage train of trolls that follow me everywhere, complaining and bitching the whole way as they consume my free content, I’ll admit to listening to NPR last night. Why not? Our tax dollars at work. Anyway, they had an interesting show on the guy that was both the father of card counting in gambling and the original computer geek at Wall Street. I don’t actually know if there were useable computers available to the early hedge fund operators or if it was originally just mathematical formulas, but I found the whole thing fascinating. His name was
Ed Thorp
and he was featured in a book by Scott Patterson, “
The Quants
”. Ed is a pretty smart fellow and had always warmed against the
Black Swain
events that could invalidate his process, but obviously his modern trading system was kidnapped and raised to be a monster by the greed and idiocy of the financial institution.
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Today, let’s talk about the collapse naysayers. I won’t name any names to protect the guilty. Let’s just say he is one of those fellows that is embarrassed when a cammie wearing, carbine totting,
MRE
eating, underground lair dwelling survivalists is mentioned while describing his work on system slow decline. One excuse giving for the decline versus the collapse is the Black Plague of the middle ages. After a twenty five percent population decline, life pretty much went on as usual. There was no
anarchy
or collapse of government. Hence, large scale
catastrophes
will not see a collapse. Now, we could sit and argue all day long about what happened after the fall of Rome. Was it a slow decline over centuries or was it pretty much a total collapse with 90% population declines? You know where I stand on the issue, but it is all based on conjecture. You know, I know, and even Ross Perot knows that with almost no written records on the event, speculation is the best we can do. But the
Black Death 
has much better records. We know a lot more about it. So this is used as proof that us crazy doomers are just whistling Dixie out of our asses, thinking we will all be savagely beating each other over the heads with pieces of concrete rebar and throwing the loser into the stew pot.
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But the
bubonic plague
that wiped out large segments of Europe ( I’m sure it did the same over in Asia, but that is where Mongols and Muslims hang out, not to mention where the disease originated, so we tend to dismiss the region in history, or at least the history we are interested in- kind of like Africa is ignored outside a few interesting colonialism tales ) was actually not a disaster at all. The survivors had enough to eat after it was all said and done.
Overpopulation
was solved, there was then enough fertile land for everyone. I’ve already written about the shrinking farmland leading to overpopulation and famine. Just as in Rwanda recently. Plots got smaller and smaller as more and more people were born until no one had enough to eat. European farmland, even though increasing, its output was not enough to keep pace with population growth. Malthusian theory had already been proven before it was published. The book just put a nice mathematical shine on it. A 25% population decline was not enough to destabilize society in general, but it was enough to take the pressure off the survivors calorie count.
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The
coming famines
will be caused by decreasing energy inputs. We can go 100% organic and still not be able to feed our population if the transportation infrastructure can’t keep feeding the urban populations. It isn’t really so much the lack of artificial fertilizers and tractor fuel ( although their absence or just their decrease will make a huge difference ) as it is being able to get the food hundreds of miles away to feed the cities. Unless we start today, we can’t relocate millions out of the cities and have then start gardening to feed themselves. Gardening and raising livestock, because our meat producing facilities have been centralized. Which leads to lack of both meat and fertilizer for the gardens. The migration of farmers to the cities took place over generations, in an energy increase environment. You can’t simply move them back in an oil down scenario. Yet you can’t keep feeding people over three thousand miles from centralized locations if energy is decreasing. This is why it is vital for you to have your grain stockpile. No, it won’t support you indefinitely. But it will see you through a die-off. You can’t garden again until order is restored.
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This time around, we won’t just lose 25% of the population. The globe is supporting many more mouths than can be fed organically. Perhaps as much as tens times too many. Only oil feeds them, even, or perhaps especially, in America. Oil down is soil down, water down, centralization down. Grain down. War, conflict, famine, refugee up. Don’t worry, if you forget I’ll keep warning you.
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15 comments:
Or we could just end up living in anouther version of a socialist europe.Look at all the hype behind y2k.fear sells.right now pretending everything is going to be ok is popular.RW
Good one! If it occurs soon like the next ten years, I'll recruit some youngins and teach 'im how to smallscale farm(subsistance). Was raised poor onna land , still poor, but still onna land and still have a fat buildup for teotwaki..
James,
Good post!
I read a book ,The Battle That Stopped Rome by Peter S. Wells, was a very insightful peace on the beginning of the end for Rome. Also, those interested in crude, but effective battles stragies, invaluable! The jist of the book describes in detail how the German barbarians where able to cooperate, plan and exacute an attack that took over 20,000 Rome soldiers out, in less then a couple of hours ( known as the Battle of Teutoburg Forest,at the Rhine river). After that Rome was never again able to reach the strength it had prior, and the collapse followed. Amazing stuff!
Peace
I have enjoyed DAKENS blog for the last week, I figure I got mental issues or something! I am going to check myself into a mental institution now! BYE,BYE
I heard that same show. Thorpe struck me as somebody who didn't know a whole lot about the world off campus. He must have done alright with his card counting though if the casinos told him to hit the road and not come back.
There will be no need for tractors when 50% of the population is working off their debt to our corporate overseers by manually pulling a plow the field.
I can't whistle Dixie out of my butt, but I played a rather decent Herb Alpert-esque solo on it last night. It was cool.
We don't need to lose 25%, we need to lose 90%. And we will, it's just whether it takes 40 years, or 400, or 4, that we don't know. But keep in mind, we're FAR into overshoot. Even if everyone stopped having kids now, we have a huge, huge dieoff coming. The population left standing will have to be sustainable within a 10 mile radius. In other words, Can you live on your own growing, farming, gathering, trading, within 10 miles of your home or hut? That means in places like Palm Springs, CA and Jerome, AZ, dieoff will be total.
I'm proud to be a kook! But as for eatin' MRE's, yeah they're a treat, one I can't afford. I can see it in the future, work on your precision shooting skills NOW boys and girls, headshots because the baddies if they have MREs will have 'em in their pack.
I recently read somewhere that in the early 1970s there were something like 400-425 meat processing plants in the USA, but that today there are only 13.
Think about that and it boggles the mind...
Rwanda is very fertile, and has quite a low population density. They starve because it's a little hard to farm when leeching warlords steal your crops as soon as they turn ripe.
States cause starvation, not a high population density.
Jim the reason die off didnt cause anarchy in the 1400s was the church. goverment was second to the churches of the era so a revolt was blasfemy against god today we are a godless society so a collapse would be much more likely.i hope i didnt open the religion fanatics but just a point of the times.GREAT RECENT WORK THANK YOU!!!!!
I've wondered in the past if the AIDS virus was developed by some mad scientist to become a 'slate wiper' on purpose, killing all of the extra people that are around due to longer life spans and reduced medical maladys killing us early. I don't think there is much controdiction that food supply is becoming obviously short - you see it everywhere.
There will be a reckoning - Mother Nature is quite the biotch when she's gotta be. Though the human race pretty much brought this one on themselves.
Hahaha; go check out Wildflower's site; the "Some folks run screaming edition" see ourselves in the mirror. That girl needs a "mirrer" too. Go stand in the corner on your paper young lady.
Looks professional tho'...heh
C5
"Black Swain" events? Spencer Tracy had one of those in Guess Who's Coming For Dinner.
In, World Made by Hand - basically the novel version of The Long Emergency, Kunstler made the same mistakes. He leaves out modern society's deadly double over-reliance on oil and technology. Civilization has become so complex that major failure in one system have the potential to cause cascade failures. Kunstler ignores the likelihood of a decline triggering collapse events once a certain point is reached. And most people do not have the skills to live well w/o this technology, meaning a 25 percent die off could be a trigger for collapse as well.
That aside, I though it bizarre that he considered states in the vastly overpopulated U.S. Northeast to be best equipped to make it through such a decline. And that the South/Midwest/West - sparely populated, gun toting hunters, the Bible belt, oh yeah, and America's bread basket - won't fare as well. My bet is the coasts will be hell.
Overall theme of decline, undeniable (assuming a Black Swan doesn't change the game). Details and results of the decline, a lot to be desired.
Ok: I am coming to this late, but it was linked to so I may not be alone.
Suburban:
Kunstler is a strange bird. Most of the book seemed more like his own personal middle age crises wish fulfillment than honest speculation.
However, in his defense, his portion of upstate New York is a slowly depopulation portion of the North East that does not have a particularly high population density. He also has a convenient flu that kills off a bunch of the extra people with very little fuss. And finally, he postulates global warming in a severe and rapid way that wipes out much of the Southeast (hurricanes destroy the Carolinas).
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