LOW UNEMPLOYMENT
At first blush this might seem rather worthless. The states with the least
unemployment
and their relocation potential. It seems few of you are going to go anywhere. However, this was a neat puzzle, so even if you don’t think the article is relevant, I enjoyed putting it together. I don’t know why these states have such low unemployment. It could be that the ethanol boom is keeping everyone employed. It could be they had very little real estate bubble. It could be they have an unusually high percentage of workers being indirectly paid by the feds. It could be a combination of all that, with perhaps a bit of “we entered the depression two decades ago and have adjusted since”. It would behoove you to do a bit of research if you did plan to move. Forewarned is forearmed. Also, this isn’t a perfect way to do things. In some otherwise unacceptable states, there will be pockets of low unemployment. For instance, Elko has only 7% unemployment while the state has 13%. But if you went to Las Vegas it would be closer to 20%. And even Elko has problems. We’ve lost Blockbusters, Payless Shoes, Chevron and now a Radio Shack ( their “going out of business, marked down price” for a roof top TV antenna was the same price as the everyday price at Home Depot-and they ain’t all that cheap. Gee, I wonder why they are going out of business ), and in a few months a satellite Post Office. The county is seeing a year to year 10% decline in gaming revenues and a 10% drop in overall sales tax revenue. Every state will be like this, so this is just a big picture view. Think of this as a starting point.
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The best areas in the country are the two Dakota’s and
Nebraska
. They are all around four and a half percent unemployment. Which is about as good as it ever gets in the modern economy. So for them to be under 5%, something is being done right ( perhaps not from a multi-generational survival standpoint, but at least from an employment standpoint ). The others in the top ten are around six and a half percent. Iowa, Kansas, Oklahoma, Montana, Utah, Hawaii and Vermont. Basically, we have corn belt states and energy producers. Which leads one to conclude it is all about the power. I have no idea why Hawaii is doing okay unless the tourists are pouring in from China and her economic partners. However, not to burst your bubble as you are envisioning ten acres and a tractor, sucking off of Uncle Obammy’s Ethanol Teet, you might want to cross Iowa right off your list. High taxes and extreme gun control. Sales tax might be only 6%, but they make up for it in cigarette and income tax. Not that it should be any worse than most other places ( Texas might have no income tax, but the sin taxes are extreme and the property tax on junk land is 3% ), but coupled with their gun control I wouldn’t feel welcome. You must record private transfers, any purchases, there is no open pistol carry, only rural rifle carry, you must be licensed to carry a handgun in a vehicle and only the high and mighty get a concealed carry permit. About as bad as
California 
( that was for you, NoCal ).
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Hawaii isn’t much better. Their weapons restrictions are similar, but their taxes are worse. They are pretty high on their gas tax, cigarettes are an insane $3 a pack state tax. Tragically,
beer taxes
are insane ( six times worse than North Dakota ). And the state income tax can be as high as the Feds. I would discount those two, which just goes to show you that agricultural potential isn’t always the best criteria. Or a mild climate. I don’t know why Vermont made the list. Perhaps they are becoming a refuge from the surrounding crap holes ( in ways it might be it’s own type of crap hole-cig taxes and income taxes are tragically high- but in comparison…). They are about as lax as you can get on gun control. No concealed carry license needed. No paperwork on sales. Open carry anywhere. Vehicle open pistol carry, with long guns only needing to be unloaded.
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Utah is a bit strict on the guns, but not
Gestapo
strict. You can only carry open while hunting, but at least they have Shall Issue concealed carry. Sales, gas and cig taxes are about average, but the state income tax is high. Add in the religious nuttery, and the collapse potential to get even more extreme, I would put Utah near the bottom. My God, they want almost half the taxes on beer that Hawaii does! Going over to Montana, beer is cheap but cigarettes are highly taxed. The income tax can be as long as 1%, but as high as 6. Gun laws are reasonable. The state has its problems, from Commie enclaves in the west to freight train winds in the east, but what state doesn’t have its issues?
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Oklahoma and Kansas have very similar tax structures and gun laws ( with the exception that it is easy to conceal carry in Ok and not allowed in Kansas ). Around five percent sales tax ( keep in mind for all states-state sales tax is the base which the counties then add on to. In OK, some sales tax is ten percent after the county gets down raping you ).
Gas tax
is under two bits. Cigs are around a buck a pack, beer is in the lower to mid range, and income tax a few percent, maxing at 5. For the top three lowest unemployment states, all have 5% sales tax, give or take. A quarter for gas. The average beer tax is on the low end. Cigs tax is around fifty cents for ND and NE, but an insane $1.50 in SD. But! South Dakota has no income tax, whereas the other two are two to five percent. I think it would be cheaper to pay the sin tax. The gun laws there are weird. The Dakota’s want a license for a vehicle handgun but are lax on open carry and issuing concealed carry. Nebraska allows no concealed carry but is lax on open carry and vehicle carry. Those can be negated by local law, but in general I think that would apply to the urban areas and liberal enclaves.
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So there you have it, a general guide to relocation with unemployment, taxes and
gun laws
in mind. You may wonder why Texas didn’t make the list, being so energy rich. I would imagine it is a combination of half the state being barren or never emerging from the oil bust in the eighties ( combined with the S&L debacle ) and the current real estate bust. They sure have plenty of dirt cheap lots though. And of course, this doesn’t address the issue of whether you should even relocate or not. You know my stance-better to take the pain now than be stuck in at ground zero of the collapse later. But I do realize how tough it will be. I was late moving myself, the economic collapse was already almost a year old ( I moved summer of ’08 ). And it took me three times as long to find a job as usual. In previous moves, during boom or bust times, it never took me too long to find a job. Right in the middle of a
recession
, it didn’t matter. I always asked for below market wages for the position at hand and I had a history of stability at jobs and above average experience ( just not enough to get me disqualified for being a desertion threat ). I got in locally before it all went to crap, and I still had problems. I can’t imagine that it will be at all easy now. But, think how far down hill your area could go after a few more budget cuts. Sewer failures, lack of police protection, grid failure, etc. Do you think it is going to be any easier in a year? But, that is a personal decision and your position is unique. I’ll just try to help if you do decide to move.
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11 comments:
Okay, I could go across the border from NH to VT, but that's it. Went to college in VT so I know it a bit. Still have friends there.
People in VT shop in NH to avoid sales tax. They also get their booze and cigs here. We are kinda an outlaw state as far as our neighbors are concerned. True, I needed a permit to carry concealed in NH, but it's a "must issue" state. They need a darn good reason not to issue one. I think my whole darn town is packing.
VT has pretty lax land laws if you have enough acreage. Their politics are screwy. They've got a Socialist Party Congressman for Pete's sake.
Very interesting post, Jim. It reminded me of a study performed last year rating the various states on their "freedom factor", based on taxes, gun laws, etc. but did not factor in the employment picture, as I recall. Interestingly, Texas did not rate very well in the employment picture, despite strong growth in certain geographic areas. One thing to consider when choosing a place to relocate is the availability of energy. For instance, both Texas and New Mexico are currently energy-exporting states. Other states have no energy resources to speak of and import all of their energy needs. In the event of a SHTF scenario, energy sources will make a crucial contribution to the eventual restoration of any sort of civilized society.
Why does it say "comment moderation enabled", and you still have a troll? What the hell is that? Only in America.
Y'all don't come to Texas. We have enough folks here already. If I had to relocate, I'd pick Oklahoma out of that list. It's not as crappy as you might think. To tell you the truth, it's nicer in most places than northern Texas, where I live. Plenty of trees and hills and water. Here it's a freakin' desert, 24/7.
Just a though about the religious extremists in Utah: IIRC, Latter Day Saints doctrine includes a year stored food, so that state may have the least Golden Horde problem after SHTF.
Hawaii is great if you're a bohemian or a poor fucker. It's even better if you're a poor, bohemian fucker.
Not recommended for whities though.
If you can put up with a lot of shit for being white, from job discrimination to actual threat to life, it has a lot to recommend it. For some reason, unemployment is low, and since they think it's expensive there, pay is high - jobs start at $10 instead of $8, and $12 for a monkey job is common. It IS expensive for the middle class, but it's not a bad place to be a poor fucker. You can get a room near the University for $200-$300 a month. I had an apartment that was pretty large, called a studio but I'd call it a 1-bedroom, with balcony, walk-in closet, sure it was 3rd floor but you don't even notice the stairs after a week, and it was literally one block from the Waikiki strip. For $600 a month.
For poor fuckers the biggest tax is the sales tax, and that's 4%. Lower than any place on the Mainland I know of.
It's a very different place and I could go on and on.
The reason I'm not back there is, it's an island 2500 miles from anywhere. I chose to stay here on the Mainland because I can go. Think Johnny in The Wild One. Just go. If things turn to teh suxxors where I'm living, I can go. Any climate I want is a hitchhike away. I'm not the wrong color in most of the US.
Hawaii is so different it's hard to compare side by side with other US states. It's more different than Alaska really.
As for Nebraska etc great places and people but horrible weather. There, you don't want to be a poor fucker/bohemian, you want to be a hardass/hardscrabble/hardpan kinda farmer type, or at least have that mentality. If you like Edward Hopper paintings, it may be for you. The Midwest sure produces some great people.
Fun post!
Texas keeps their unemployment numbers low by gaming the numbers even more than everyone else does. And it shares a rather large, rather lawless (and bound to become more so) border with Mexico. If I was going to move somewhere else it would be at least two tanks of gas away from the Mexican border.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-TxJobs_04bus.ART.State.Edition2.4c4dcb9.html
The Dakota's have some oil and natural gas and have been loosing population for for a while now, which might be what's keeping their low.
I spent my first 19 years in Nebraska and Kansas – the eastern portions of both states offer better terrain (more trees and water) than the western portions, which are deserts (plains). My own “retreat” (parents farm) is in Nebraska. Corn is a huge crop in Nebraska, however, accounting for a bout a fifth of that income from all farm products (half is from cattle), so some of that is due to ethanol. Farm states also normally give farmers subsidies for *not* farming some land.
I lived in the semi-socialist state of Hawaii for nearly three years and also have no idea how it made that list (note that tourists there would be Japanese and some Korean, not too many from China). The single largest employer in the state is the State, followed by the military, if I recall correctly. Hawaii is expensive as hell if you have a regular job. Tax rate over 8% but they have fees and charges for all kinds of things. Unions are huge. Add 20% + for consumer items and fuel. Property prices are comparable to the DC area.
The big island might be okay for a survival situation (less so if you’re white), but Oahu will end up like the east coast WTSHTF – death orgy.
Not a very doomer like article you really worried about taxs and fuel and cc permits?like all this well be available?RW
Your information on concealed carry in Nebraska and Kansas is out of date as they both are shall issue now. See http://www.handgunlaw.us/ for details.
Suburban Survivalist - Yeppers on Hawaii, there's always that death orgy thing. Same reason why after losing my biz in 2007, I skipped to AZ then skipped right back to California, AZ has death orgy and a thirsty one at that, written all over it.
I was talking with a guy, youngest of 9 brothers out of West Virginia, hardworking, get up at 5 and do chores then go to school, grew up working hard for everything, HARD WORK tends to produce GOOD PEOPLE.
FYI on Texas: extreme gun control? "You must record private transfers, any purchases, you must be licensed to carry a handgun in a vehicle and only the high and mighty get a concealed carry permit."
Must record private transfers? Not true unless you to want to CYA just in case. Any purchases? Those from FFLs. Must be licensed to carry a handgun in a vehicle? The rules have changed - hidden or out of sight carry is ok in a vehicle without any license. Only high and mighty get a concealed carry permit? Do you think convicted felons should carry concealed? The laws are improving every year.
We don't need any more yankees moving to Texas. Moderate away!
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