COLLEGE EDUCATED IDIOT’S
I’m going to leave catabolic collapse, cannibalism (
A History of Cannibalism: From Ancient Cultures to Survival Stories and Modern Psychopaths
), bolt action military rifles and other assorted fun items alone today and serve you with a tasty treat I usually don’t indulge in- an article assuming that we are not in fact going to all die in June 2012 ( the Mayans [
The Mayan Code: Time Acceleration and Awakening the World Mind
] had it wrong, the actual day the world ends is the day of my last child support payment- easily proven by the past evidence that the gods do not wish me to enjoy any of my own money ), but that we might actually last a little longer. To this end I’ll talk about the idiocy of getting a college education. I’m a Johnny come lately on this, as it has been done much better by Gary North ( who tells you how to do it much cheaper ) and our buddy over at
http://americanenergycrisis.blogspot.com/ who tells you what a rip off it is. Of course, being who I am, a wild and crazy guy ( Steve and Dan on SNL [
Saturday Night Live - The Complete First Season : 1975-1976
] ), I won’t let ignorance stand in the way of my opinion. And speaking of opinions, I want to direct you to Orr’s Law. What the Thinker thinks, the Prover proves. In other words, we all convince ourselves whatever we think is true. Scary, whether listening to me or yourselves.
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Say what you will of Yuppie Survivalists, Rawles (
Patriots: A Novel of Survival in the Coming Collapse
) is a valuable resource and should be on your dairy reading list. Due to my limited time on the Interweb I can’t always leisurely search for resources. So I appreciated the link to
http://www.inyopools.com/ for a cheap source of calcium hypochlorite. I’m pretty happy with my stockpiling, having gotten 100 pounds of salt last weekend and 250 pounds of wheat two days ago ( a county of 30k and the only feed store had 250 pounds of wheat kernels- but don’t listen to me about panicking early ) since I now have extra storage space ( I’ll post some updated Bison Compound pictures here real soon ). But I wanted the dry bleach to supplement my water filters. Now I can get that.
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So, I’m flipping through the limited amount of channels on Saturday night ( or was it Friday? No matter ) and what do I see but one of the worst shows on TV outside Dancing With American Idol, Wife Swap (
the wife swappers
). This turd makes professional wrestling look spontaneous and unscripted. What kept me watching for ten minutes was that one couple believed that the world would end in 2012, on the Mayan calendar. The wife’s strategy was clearly to eat as much as possible for her own personal larder ( she was heavier than the neighbors cows ) and they moved to the Midwest from Arizona to better their odds. Part of their stockpiling was to buy on delayed payment since no one would be collecting. The house was full of “don’t pay until 2013” furniture. Now, the script was pretty evident. Make each couple look dysfunctional and idiotic. As a bonus, to appease the bankers funding the show, show survivalists as jagbags. My problem is that the show is popular enough to reflect badly on the viewers. Do these idiots actually buy into this garbage? Well, they still buy into the college myth, so perhaps. The college myth states that if you get a degree, you will make lots of money and former cheerleaders will hang from your balding head and spreading gut in admiration. This was certainly true at one time, even if most of the good paying jobs were directly or indirectly funded through taxes ( which is one of the main reasons the state budgets are in trouble- total over spending on future pensions- already here through Detroit and Social Security and now showing up as huge state budget deficits. And, Nevada is #1 AGAIN!! The highest projected deficit of all the states, as a percentage ).
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I’ve maintained for decades that college is a suckers bet. I knew in 86 that military training was worthless in the civilian market ( this was prior to Blackwater ) and two years later was working on the casino floor slinging coins ( before the advent of paper or e-pay in slot machines [
Break the One-Armed Bandits
] ) with holders of Masters degrees. It wasn’t just one guy, it was a familiar tale. Of course, back then casinos paid Union wages and now are just as bad as any other industry, so even if the prestige was low the pay was decent. But not decent enough to pay school debt. So, twenty years ago pay was higher and tuition was much cheaper and yet was still a poor deal. Today, it is financial suicide to go to college if it is paid for with debt. 5% will make it work, with daddy paying or with an old boy network to secure future employment. The rest of the average, non-connected schmucks will be ripped off. That probably means you or your spawn. The job market is shrinking as the population increases. I know you are the mostest special person in the whole wide world, but the odds are still against you. Even trade school is a gamble, but at least you gamble a lot less. Lucifer’s Handmaiden wanted to go to flight school in the early 90’s and it seemed a good bargain. Ten grand, about the cost of a car. The school ( at one time supposedly the nations best- I can’t remember the name, but in Tulsa Oklahoma ) pretty much lied about most everything, and to compound that Herself decided to extend her schooling on and off until it became a fifty grand debt. And it took ten years to land a steady, decent flight job. I did support the family, rent and diapers, formula and car payments, etc., for two years, but thank goodness I was never responsible for her student loans ( that, plus now supporting two people on minimum wage with 50% withholding, allows me no sympathy for people who insist you need two incomes to live ).
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Now my daughter wants to go to cosmetology (
Getting it Right!: Milady's Survival Guide for Cosmetology Students
) school. She has a natural talent, and she gravitates to that fufu girly crap like a fly to an offal pile, but if she doesn’t get any assistance one year of trade school will run her ten grand. And that is at a community college ( although it is a compressed three semester schedule ) . I can’t say it will be a waste of money or time, but the sad thing is that for the most part that is considered a bargain today ( or at least as cheap as it is going to get ). Perhaps there are cheaper states, but then you don’t save by getting free rent and board. The simple truth is that college is rapidly going back to a rich sons game. The colleges themselves won’t admit it, they are locked into the old way of quantity over quality. But if you don’t look at it realistically you will be a lifetime indentured servant before you even see a mortgage or car payment. College is no longer an investment but a gamble. Spend less and have more fun by coming here to Nevada to gamble. The prostitutes are ugly ( so I’ve heard ) and the climate sucks off the casino floor, but it will be better odds of winning. Or, just go with Orr’s Law and ignore the warnings.
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13 comments:
I keep meeting college grads or soon to be grads.And they dont see any jobs out there for them.In the old days you could make a living working with your hands,now you cant make any money because you must compete with illegal aliens who well work for almost knothing.The trucking industry is kinda dead.I meet all kinds of folks with degrees or who made lots of money in other fields,now theyre sitting around going broke with the rest of the truckers.Seems like lots of folks lose theyre jobs then decide hey ill drive the big rigs.Then find out how much the job sucks.RW
Oh, wise, all knowing, flea free, beautiful haired oracle, please allow me to comment....35 years ago when I got my first degree only 10% of the population held degrees. When I moved into a professional degree program the percentage dropped to 5 then 1 percent. Now we fast forward to today, 25% of the population (US dept of ed) hold undergraduate degrees, and the education system tells everyone they should go to college. Someone has to sling the coins in a casino, or drive a truck, or climb a pole. This country's problem is we equate an education with sucess, and that is just plain not true. I have seen some of the dumbest people in the world now graducating from college and Masters programs. That is because when the high schoolers fail the SAT or other entrance test in sufficent numbers they lower the test and make it easier.
The brightest kids in our public schools are considered gifted and talented. But if we put them in a private school setting of 6 or 7 per class, they would be average. Then we take these average kids and make them teachers, lawyers, judges, military officers. This country's educational system is a monument to the average to below average. Now, I know your readers kids are a lot smarter then private school kids, but, how many kids to they have in their kids classes? 25, 30, more? You cannot keep order and teach 25 elementary or middle school kids squat. So, you lower the bar and pass them for quanity not quality. And if they are not
proficent in elementary and middle schools skills they cannot be profient in high school and onward.
Oh, by the way my Luficer's handmaiden sent them to upper class public school and I wound up paying a fortune to have them tutored to make them competitive with the private school kids.
As someone recently graduated with expensive receipt in hand, I completely agree.
I went to college at 17, because I was supposed to. Economic downturn, unemployment and 1 baby later, I owe more than I did when I graduated.
Hubby and I are not going to encourage baby to go to college. We'll homeschool him then encourage him to do some sort of apprentice gig. It's a total waste of money.
Jim your posts are thought provoking as usual.
The purpose of college is to feed the infrastructure, and to establish indebtedness to government. The curriculum at most colleges is pro-big-government. and ideology is nurturing to liberal agendas. Most instructors are very liberal and have never held a job in a productive capacity. Their employment pay has always been from taxes. Most of them would be unable to support themselves if government jobs were not available.
I heard recently that the Obama administration would like to establish policy to forgive student loans after they have gone delinquent. The idea is to not burden a graduate with debt or the government to collect the debt.(helping hand to fellow liberals).
One could make a similar argument for child support debt....But they wont because child support is a ruse to gain control of an otherwise law abiding male. If child support were for the kids, why then does child support STOP accumulating when one is incarcerated? But If one is laid-off his child support will continue to accrue at the same rate. its reverse logic,unless you understand that the true logic is control. They have control of the incarcerated. Debt is to control the "free".
Good Post.
I worked at a local college a few years ago. I hated seeing people waste time and money getting a degree so they could work at McD's. But they had zombie attitudes that this was the holy grail and every job would be offered to them on a silver platter as soon as they had a little piece of paper.
Four years and thousand's of $$ later, they're asking me if I want fries.
I do believe college is a good idea IF you can do it without going into debt and realize it's for personal enrichment--not employment.
Idaho Homesteader
The first time I went to college I dropped out while still 18. Quickly discovered the only guys with sure jobs coming out were already connected before they went in. All I could expect was 15 years of seasonal part time work as that's what would happen to guys without connections.
Since I was paying the bills myself, one semester was all it took for me to catch onto the game. One of the three best things I've ever done.
True, true. Although if you go to college you might get to BE the banker.
Bison, read the child support ending remark and laughed so hard I damn near spilled my drink.
I totally agree.What parents don't realize is their kids might be stupid. If they were still wearing diapers when they started school chances are pretty good you can spend that Harvard money on something else.
If they have scars on their face from learning to use a fork chances are pretty good they aren't going to discover the cure for anything anyway.
When I was a little boy you went to college to be a doctor,lawyer,engineer or teacher. It took two years to be a nurse. You could go to trade school for a year and learn enough about plumbing or electricity to go to work.
In a country where you got to put pictures of sandwiches on the register keys someone should realize a lot of kids don't need no higher learnin'
The the well known book "The Bell Curve" About half of the really Hi IQ people do not graduate from High School and wind up living in slums.
I dropped out of HS, then when to college got a liberal arts degree.
I was barely employable. I wound up working in skilled trades and doing surprisingly well. Much of those areas have now been overun with illegal aliens who work for nothing.
In a real twist of fate I now work in a bank and things are doing well again..for now.
Jim is right on about the future.
I really dodged a bullet when I was hired by the bank. Thankfully a paid for home, and a field of old cars, and a few motorccyles and bikes. I could get by on under $10 and hour if I had too.
Welcome to the New America If you prepped it may not be so bad. I study constantly how to by in this increasingly turd world place.
Actually, I worked the system. If they wanted to give me money, pay for my classes, and provide me with a stipend, I took all they had to offer. I'm happy with both my BA and my MA, and I wish that I could figure out how to spend the rest of my life scoring "useless" degrees.
Yeah, I know this rankles the libertarian sensibilities of those that one should remain as free of the state as possible...
I knew that I wasn't going to get a so-called "successful" job with either of them, but that's not what I wanted. Instead, I simply wanted professional academic training for no other reason than the pleasure of it. I came away with the knowledge, analytical awareness, and the ability to observe the world with a depth I never had before.
Which, in turn, eventually led me to your conclusion. College, for the most part, is a racket, a scam, an invitation to the slavery of debt. Nearly ten years after graduation, fellow classmates are still fretting under the onerous weight of all that debt, working at meaningless jobs, wage-slavery jobs, jobs that do nothing but enrich the coffers of others.
I agree. To me, a formula for building wealth in long term without promised college edjumication is as follows:
Always pay yourself 1st of EVERY paycheck, saving at least 5%. Never ever buy a new vehicle or home - depreciation is a bitch. Your shelter is not an investment - its a box that holds your crap. Paying it off quickly frees you big time. Live within your means, forget trying to impress people you don't care about. Find an occupation that you genuinely like to do, regardless of pay - you will be much happier than the guy making 5 times what you do and loathes having to go into his job - 40 years of happiness vs. misery - do the math! Get rich quick schemes generally fail much more often than get good results.
Having graduated recently (2007) from a University with a degree in Mechanical Engineering, I will chime in. I lived in an apartment of six. Three of the my roommates including me, all had a full load of classes and in addition all had jobs, not full time during the school year but at least 20 hrs a week. During the summer we all worked full time. One guy was part of the National Guard and was paying for school through them.
We all graduated within a year of each other and now all of the working student (enlisted included) graduated without any debt. One of the roommates who did not have a job majored in music composition and graduated with $63K in student loans. He went back to school to get his masters in an effort to deffer paying his loan. He eventually was kicked out of the program. He now lives in his parents basement and does laundry at near minimum wage.
The other non-working student majored in Biology and works for a pharmaceutical company. He graduated with $7K in debt and lives in his parents basement with his wife. He worked exclusively during the summer and focused only on school the rest of the time.
Those who were willing to work were able to finish school without debt. The others spent most of their time having the fun that 'college life' is 'supposed' to be.
I think that the image of college has changed from a place of higher learning to a place of partying.
So those who went to university have wasted their money? Like your “childcare is not financially viable” argument, I have to throw the BS flag on that.
Sure, a lot of idiots get degrees. (Probably a lot more don’t.) But not everyone who gets degrees are idiots. The education doesn't have to be worthless, either; it depends on what degree one earns. A degree in art or English, in most cases not so practical. A degree in social sciences, it depends on if you can leverage that into the right kind of work (I did). A technical degree, mostly good. This isn't rocket surgery (yeah, on purpose).
I ended up with a BA and an MA. The graduate degree was in a specialized field. The GI Bill paid for most of it, scholarships for the rest. I did take out a few loans while studying overseas for awhile, paid them off after I got a job.
That education has made a world of difference. I can afford to spend a few hundred dollars a months on preps, more if I need to, for myself and some family. If hadn't gone to college I'd be making MUCH less than I do right now. Without that education, such prepping likely would not be possible. Or being completely out of debt (renting, sold the house).
It's easy to mistakenly view all those who make a good income and are survivalists as "Yuppie survivalists." But it's still a mistake.
Also, no one has to go deep into debt to go to college. Go into the military first and use the GI Bill. If you cannot or will not for whatever reason, go to a state college. It’s been my experience that you’ll learn what you need to if you’re driven. Pick a program that will improve chances for getting a job, preferable secure and well paying.
It worked well for me and my wife (BS and MS degrees for her – which makes childcare a winning proposition).
We’re not wealthy, we are solidly middle class.
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