Wednesday, October 27, 2010

apples and oranges and corn

APPLES AND ORANGES AND CORN


Before we get to today’s pearls of wisdom inexpertly disguised as the inane rantings of a mere mortal, two items of business. First, I wish to fall to my knees in ecstatic joy and thank the not one but two separate worthy minions that sent me cash money. Jack, you can bet I’ll use the proceeds on more hair supplies. And Charles, you can bet I’ll declare your donation as income so the Handmaiden Of Lucifer gets more money. Bitch be getting another five grand as it is but I wouldn’t want the forces of evil to align against me any more than usual. Which brings me up to an observation I had earlier today. Normally the months of November and December are balls to the wall ( Balls to the Walls ) here, what with massive legions of Yuppie Scum trying to appease their guilt over unearned wealth ( I know I’m an ass but I can’t help but think of the mine labor as Union-like extortionists. Not to say I’m not grateful for the extra graft that circulates in town ) by donating food to the Food Bank. I’m not trying to appear that I don’t appreciate it, just being cynical. But, as nothing is free in life, it is a lot of work trying to stay on top of the extra donations. But this year, almost as if they smell looming disaster in the wind, the legions have stepped up their campaign a month early. I’m running around like crazy trying to figure out how I’ll keep my sanity for the extra time. My observation is: they be agin me. Everyone is agin me. They ain’t afor me, their agin me. These donations definitely came in the knick of time as they will sooth my insanity. Generosity disguised as a means of eliminating me. I’m on to everyone.

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My second order of business is an observation. I’m not saying for sure my conclusion is correct, it’s just something I bring up for you to think about. Notice how gold ( Rich Dad's Advisors: Guide to Investing In Gold and Silver: Protect Your Financial Future ) has followed a pattern recently? It shoots up drastically and then eases on down slowly. It bottoms out at the previous high level and then eases on up to the last high. It waits there, then repeats the process all over again. If I didn’t know better I would say this is a way of fooling people. Everyone either panics or soils themselves in glee ( such as the gold bugs [ The Gold-Bug and Other Tales (Dover Thrift Editions) ] forecasting five grand gold ). Then it eases down and everyone relaxes. This way, it isn’t a steady advance. Plenty of idiots can conclude things are getting better. Now, I’m not saying that high wizards of the bankers are sitting behind a curtain pulling strings, but there has to be some kind of manipulation with either/or the Plunge Protection Team and the holders of e-commodities ( those using derivatives to “hold” far more bullion than they physically process- far more than is in existence if you believe the hype ). Who might be one and the same. Again, I’m only spitballing here. But the pattern is curious.

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Today’s article was inspired by my reading this weekend. I was bored or done with my library books and so I just started flipping through Greer’s decline book ( The Long Descent: A User's Guide to the End of the Industrial Age ). I’ve already read it two or three times so I just reread a few chapters. I like Greer ( The Ecotechnic Future: Envisioning a Post-Peak World ). He seems a very smart fellow. And I’m eternally in his debt for pointing out his bible ( and now mine ) “Overshoot”( Overshoot: The Ecological Basis of Revolutionary Change ). We draw drastically different conclusions from the book however. He sees a nice slow centuries long decline, peaceful transition interrupted by spats of violence. A stairway decline. I see a slow long decline measured in years followed by a sudden collapse. As I’ve said before, the universal lack of records following every collapse suggests to me that society was totally destroyed. But that is of course a rather flippant answer to the age old question, slow or sudden collapse. So let’s explore a bit more on the “slow” side.

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Slow collapse is premised on the historical record. From the Romans to the Mayans ( A Forest of Kings: The Untold Story of the Ancient Maya ) to the Anazasi and more, the average decline lasted centuries. From the height of empire to the emergence of a few scattered villagers scratching in the dirt a few hundred years passed. Now, one could argue with that interpretation. After all, a consensus doesn’t mean the truth has been discovered ( contemporary example is when finally after decades of ridicule by his fellows the guy that proposed continental drift was vindicated. Near future example might be looking back from an Ice Age and wondering what the heck Gore thought he was talking about [ why anyone believed Al “I invented the Internet” Gore in the first place is unbelievable ] ). But let’s not quibble about that and assume most agricultural societies in the past did collapse slowly. The question then becomes why we are comparing apples to oranges ( and to corn in the case of the Mayans )? Why are we comparing the Oil Age ( The Age of Oil: The Mythology, History, and Future of the World's Most Controversial Resource ) to the Agricultural Age? For ten thousand years man lived on the soil. For the last two hundred years ( and that is pushing it to include a lot of coal use ) man has lived off of oil. The soil uses the energy it just received from the sun ( and also last years if you include fallow fields and green manure and compost ). That is a very diffuse form of energy. The oil we use is a highly concentrated form of millions of years of the earth forming hydrocarbons. You obviously can’t overpopulate with the surplus of solar to anywhere near the extent that you can with the surplus of oil. If you deplete the soil trying to feed extra people you run into a famine very quickly and with fewer surplus people.

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Feeding people with oil lasts a few years. And you allow quite a few generations to breed like rats. Let’s assume people are smarter than rats and can figure out a few ways to slow the die-off. In an agriculture economy this can go on for some time. You can plow forests, steal the neighbors land, centralize irrigation. Because you have a small surplus these steps giving small increases all work. For a time. But when you have multiple generations breeding off the surplus of oil in the end there is such a huge increase of people that once the oil decline sets in the food production rapidly decreases and a lot of people can’t eat. Collapse ( Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed ) happens quicker because so many more surplus mouths are involved. The stampede to the next years seed, the decimation of the fisheries, the total scorched earth warfare allowed by mechanization, all are a result. This doesn’t even touch pollution or nuclear war ( The Cold and the Dark: The World After Nuclear War ) or genetic modification or global drought. It just says that unlike the past, we now have such a surplus of people that things will collapse quicker. And remember, we have already seen a slow build up of problems. The seas are already depleted and polluted. Oil production is already declining. We have already had several years of drought. Etc. And we’ve been in slow decline since 1979 when we reached our global peak in per capita energy. How much longer will slow collapse happen before the waterfall?

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5 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey Jim - great analysis on oil vs ag collapse. What goes up faster must come down faster is a good premise. And it actually results in both you and Greer being right on the pace of collapse, it all just depends on your starting assumption.

Someone somewhere (too lazy to dig) had some historical bell-curve timeline charts that showed this symmetry (maybe Niall Ferguson). Some things like the dutch bulb tulip craze rocketed up and then crashed fast too -- this was mostly a financial phenomena, but, to your point, it went up faster
than ag and came down faster than ag.
- jeffz99

russell1200 said...

Or a very uneven collapse.

The key would be maintaining your access to fossil fuels. China has been working very hard to lock up exclusive rights within both Africa and Central Asia. They already have coal.

It really comes down to an argument of how quickly are we going to run out, and what will be the pattern of the depletion.

As an aside:

If you view being conquered militarily as a collapse, than you have a very very numerous subset of collapses that often occurred relatively quickly.

Ellen said...

Mr Bison blog person

So we may have a slow decline into the dark ages.
Well here is my story.
I thought getting old was my slow decline into oblivion. But no, seems that I was not going to be able to do this with grace and dignity.
The world and forces closer (our government)decided that they could make my getting older miserable.
But being the stubborn die-hard that I am thought I could change the odds.
Well I fought and bought up food. Made lists and more lists and thought I had a good handle on things right now and maybe into a reasonable length of time in the future.
But no that was a dream, a myth, a tall tale.
I got up Saturday Morning with the usual aches and pains. And it seemed that all was normal. I never suspected a thing.
After making my 2nd cup of tea-ffee (tea with a touch of instant coffee) I went in to make my 3rd cup. I was instantly thrown back into a world I didn't know and if not the dark ages then it is most certainly pre-dawning of such.
MY BLASTED MICROWAVE HAD DIED.
I became dizzy and lightheaded, everything swirled around me and I would have went postal but was to weak to exercise the emotion.
So my world changed. It is the pits heating up water on the stove. And on top of that it doesn't do the job that the microwave did on my tea-ffee. Plus believe it or not I nearly burned up a pot of water while being on the internet.
Ah!!! crap hope that doesn't go.

So be now be warned. All those little gizmo's that make your world go around is going to be a sad day when you don't have them. I am still planning on using electricity till I don't have it, and probably pop for another microwave (el cheapo), but I am going to redo my list of things to cook on and with and incorporating them into the daily routine even if it KILLS me.
HOBO stove here I come.

Anonymous said...

Don't you think the richer nations will let the poorer nations starve first?

Anonymous said...

jim i know you believe in peak oil but OIL IS ALWAYS REFILLING THOSE FIELD whats it called Abiotic. there is no doubt that they refill, the earth makes oil all the time!! and im right and so are you say a major field is refilled 50 barrals a year in a hundred years you got 5000 barrels BIG WHOOP but in 10 million years you got 5 billion now were talking so the problem is realy we die to quick! yuk yuk had to stir the pot im not going to be in a stew pot great artical slow decent my ass have you ever slide down a water slide? the sharpest drop is near the bottom so you make a bigger splash.its a vertical drop when the slide runs out. thank gary in bama