LEVEL HEADED LEVER BLATHER
Today is the deceptively mildly labeled quantitative easing decision from our High Lords And Masters at the central bank (
Central Banking in Theory and Practice (Lionel Robbins Lectures)
). Hey, we all kid around, minions throwing around such phrases as High Lord Of The Perfect Hair or Bisonia Dictator For Life Dakin ( as always, I’m forever in the debt of he who coined the post-apocalyptic countries name so that I may forever more use it as my own ) or other such flattering names. But it is all in fun. There ain’t too much that’s fun about the criminally insane whores that sold the Republic down the river in 1913 and handed the reigns over to the Fed (
End The Fed
). I guess it was just so much friggin work to have to pick and choose who to allow to bribe you to get elected that there simply wasn’t any mental or physical energy left over to actually make any laws or other actual work, so why not just flush the whole system and allow the central bank to not only elect who they wished but also to decide how to run the country. Our “public servants” were then spared any thought other than where to put the summer cottage or which maid to diddle as their blue blood east coast wives busily compared which charity was worthy of their attention. I piss and moan about the syphilitic anal licking toady FDR (
New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America
) getting us into war and slaughtering hundreds of thousands to benefit the socialist welfare state, but that was just a side benefit. The primary reason anything politically directed happening for the last hundred years, from WWI to the Roaring Twenties to Prohibition to Vietnam or whatever, is that the central bank benefited. The central government borrows from the central bank, and the money source is the source of power. Large corporations, foreign born Presidents, those posing for portraits of power are just front men. They are not the man behind the curtain. The quantitative easing pony show is already a foregone conclusion. Whatever you hear is just the public airing of the decision. Enjoy the destruction of the economy to benefit the bankers ( don’t worry, real energy decline collapse will still follow ).
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A minion recently requested that I write an article on lever action rifles (
Winchester Lever Action Repeating Firearms : The Models of 1866, 1873 & 1876 (For Collectors Only)
). I know pretty close to zero about lever action firearms but that has never stopped me before on blathering about on any subject. We had been talking about pistol round adaptors in bolt actions, and then I wanted to publish the piece on bayonets (
The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Knives, Daggers & Bayonets: An authoritative history and visual directory of sharp-edged weapons and blades from around ... photographs (Illustrated Encyclopedia of...)
) first. Because without knowing how I feel about bayonets it would be hard to understand why I don’t care for lever actions. I don’t think you can safely ignore the bayonet requirement if you are planning for a civilization collapse. A machete might seem better, but ask yourself how much weight you wish to carry. And what you are going to do with your rifle while you are using it. The bayoneted rifle replaces other tools. At little cost or weight, and that is why I think it is superior. In effect, you have a rifle, a sword, a knife and a club if you go with the bayonet. It minimizes what you must sacrifice to get more than one weapon. So, if you think having a bayonet is a super nifty idea, that leaves the lever action at a disadvantage.
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The main selling point of the lever action was that it used the same cases as your pistol. I don’t even know why was ever that big of a selling point. The pistol is just a back-up, combat wise. Wrangling cows might have made it a primary weapon but in any uncivilized society we might envision, the rifle is for combat. Rather than demoting your long range weapon to fit your pistol ammo, use a real rifle, or heck even carbine, and leave the pistol in its holster for emergencies. With its own ammo. Now, that said, there are reasons to under power your fire power. Obviously, you might live in a heavily wooded area and even an SKS (
AK/SKS Stripper Clips/20 Pack
) has far too much range ( we’ll leave aside its better knock down power ). Then a lever action is all the range you need. And since it’s fast loading you may feel it adequate for repulsing rabid dog attacks ( the role I assign the bayonet to compensate for the bolt actions short magazine and slower loading ). As importantly, you might appreciate the low powder requirements of a pistol round over that of a rifle. If you are using half the propellant then you have twice the ammunition ( assuming adequate primers of course ). Brass is far easier to procure now, and far easier to improvise in the resource scarce future. Straight wall cases are easily improvised compared to the necked rounds ( although you might have to load one at a time rather than in the mag with, say, paper cases ).
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However, going back to the bolt, if you use adaptors you could have a regular rifle and if needed a pistol round firing rifle when necessary. In that case, you are wasting money buying a lever action. Unless you are just now deciding to become armed, and then it is really a personal choice. I don’t think either weapon, lever or bolt, will be the targets for confiscation. Unless they decide to go after “sniper” rifles. Then the lever action would give you time to “sell” it and bury it. But confiscation is a pretty long shot. Whatever you decide, as in any weapon, you compromise. These are just the pros and cons.
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12 comments:
Great post today.
Specially when you mention the bolt action. can you expand and include the .303 brishit, (I meant british, sorry).
another item to brainstorm is junk land. What do you think? let say a few acres of cheap desert land. me living in a trailer with the wife and kids, pooping in 5 gal's buckets. off the grid.
BTW You're asking me for the 20.00 dlls but, you only publish 9 photos. thats $ 2.22 a picture. what about the camera? you gonna keep it??
Send me the camera and I'll send you the money.my address:
309 drift.
Oh you know it!!
"Whatever you decide, as in any weapon, you compromise." - I can agree here with great enthusiasm. With any choice in rifles you get to pick among which factors are most important to you (cost, reliability, rate-of-fire, accuracy, firepower, etc.).
"The main selling point of the lever action was that it used the same cases as your pistol." - Maybe in the distant past this was true, but not in their current use. They typically are attractive as a low-moderate cost option for a reliable, light-weight, compact, rapid-fire carbine with low-medium firepower and medium accuracy. Lever-action rifles make modest compromises on a number of dimensions without stinking on any one dimension (except the bayonet issue, which is IMO only one of many dimensions to consider). Anyway, the best rifle is the one you have experience in using, not the one that wins in an abstract analysis about the ideal weapon. I'll keep my lever action rifles with my pile of Mosin's as emergency back-ups. Try hauling your 10-15 pound surplus rifle with bayonet (that is also about as tall as a grown man) all day long. You might soon realize some of the compromises you have made.
Big Cactus
It's rather frightening that Dakin is making more and more sense. The world IS coming to an end.
Pistol round? It was generally used as a carbine.
The .30-30 is the protypical round. It is in between the 556 Nato and 762 Nato in power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-30_Winchester
There tubular magazines and inability to fire prone limited their usefulness, and the military left them when the bolt actions became available. But they had a few bright moments in the sun for a few years.
OK, on the subject of pistol ammo in a rifle I believe you will find that the longer barrel changes the ballistics, i.e. you get a faster piece of lead with more ft lbs of energy. This is where the true value lies. All you guys think your short barreled rifles are cool and yet the same round out of a longer barrel hits harder and does more damage; sort of the point.
If using your rifle as a club with bayonet for defense after your bullets run out. I think I would rather have a good stout pole or ball bat & a machete. Larry
One big advantage of lever actions like the Winchester is their lightweight, flat profile is very easy to carry and pack. Don't underestimate this feature, if you are on your feet alot, you appreciate a lightweight rifle that does not get in the way. Short range rifles are for heavy brush, swamps or boat rifles, places where short range is the rule rather than the exception.
The Marlin is about 1/2 a pound heavier, and the Savage 99 is about a pound heavier than that - but the Savage is chambered in standard long range cartridges like the .308, and will do a fine job. Its bolt gun heavy though.
Those WWII era bolt guns are heavy muthas, not designed to be carried by out of shape lard butts like myself. If I had my pick of them, the K31 Swiss would likely be my pick - superbly accurate. Ammunnition just as heavy as standard .30 caliber ammuntion - 500 rounds is 500 rounds, about 60 pounds, more or less (never weighed it).
I think I'd live longer with the bolt gun if BOBing out though.
I think levers are pretty cool, At least at one time, one could get a lever action that shot 44 magnum or 357 magnum, so you could have a common round for your pistol and rifle. Levers are pretty easy to reload on the fly too.
Sigh... now you have everyone thinking they are a slow firing machine pistol.
The heavy bullet (170 grams) fires at 2,200 ft/sec. That's a little hot for a pistol.
One item I forgot earlier. Have not tried it myself yet, but in the old west live-action ranges, the various period specific weapons are used. So there are a few people who have actually practiced extensively with their lever actions in situations that are a little more realistic than you average shooting at a tin cup on a fence type range.
The Plains Indians used them in somewhat the mode of a shock trooper biker with a machine pistol. Rode up fast, firing furiously. Often they were not even using the sights. A number of the Indians at Little Big Horn had them, where as Custer's men had single shot breach loaders (Sharpes Carbine).
http://reflexionesfinales.blogspot.com/2010/10/skirmishing-with-light-arms-1.html
GREAT BOSON WITH THE GORGEOUS HAIR,The one you have is the one you can use. My 30-30 was passed down from my dad. I have taken deer with it. Its easy to use and carry. Great saddle gun. I will find a fat zombie to saddle up and ride around. I think some can be domesticated and used to hunt others to feed my stew pot.
Sorry Jim,
It's waay easier to have a 36" long, 5 pound, flat sided lever gun, that most people wouldn't even bat an eye at, around than a huge relic like a your .303 w/ bayonet attached around. Plus, with it chambered in .357 you can get rounds for it suitable for everything from rabbit to deer to human and you can get cheap practice ammo too!
Good article at bug out survival.
http://www.bugoutsurvival.com/2010/10/winchester-trapper-in-357-magnum.html
In Retrieved from the Future Nov 2 you wrote that 22 rimfire hivel costs 3.3 cents each.
22 Hivel can be heard at a great distance. You might buy subsonic 22 rimfire at 7 cents a shot that from 22 inch or longer barrel is very quiet.
The time may come when human predators will listen for shots and track the shooter home to kill, rape and loot.
Paranoia does not cost. It pays.
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