It isn’t that I hate Glen Beck ( Broke: The Plan to Restore Our Trust, Truth and Treasure
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Stockpiling is NOT about putting conventional groceries away in the pantry. You can’t afford that. If a canned food item costs at least a dollar on average and you need four or five a day to get a minimal amount of calories then you are doing no better than if you had bought MRE’s ( 9217 SurePak 12 MRE's- Meals ready to eat.
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History is a great tool, but more often than not it is used as the wrong tool. Most notably, a crutch. Folks use history to justify their own agenda, including myself. I use history as an illustration of why we should panic. So I do use it to advance my own agenda, to illustrate my own beliefs. So, really, misusing history is dangerous if you are wrong and helpful if you are right. I’m just as bad as those Pollyanna’s out there using history to try to prevent panic. But let me illustrate what I’m talking about so you can say, “he’s better than everyone else”. “You panicked for Y2K ( Y2K -- It's Already Too Late
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Nothing moves in a straight line, especially not history. For a short period of time things seem to move in a straight unbroken line but as soon as you zoom away and look at a longer period you see that there are uneven waves rather than a line drawn with a ruler. This should seem obvious, but since most of us are living in the forest we can only see individual trees. You tend to accept possibly different realities intellectually but act on the emotion that nothing changes. Even a long slow collapse would reinforce this as folks became used to incremental worsening. But nature works in abrupt collapses ( sudden herd starvation at the tipping point where the numbers fall far below the original number that could have been sustained ). Man might be able to postpone, mitigate or soften this reality but usually just punishes a future generation disproportionately in return of present benefit- in other words, the collapse is postponed but when it comes it is far worse than it would have been originally.
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Y2K never happened. This is a favorite of the wife ( and, I imagine, of your spouses ). Okay, a bad call. But you also bought a lot of supplies far cheaper than you can today so it really wasn’t like you wasted anything ( my Enfields were $75 to $100 retail and surplus ammo was practically given away on stripper clips in bandoleers ). And who cares if you can’t forecast worth a crap. You are prepping for ANY event, not a specific one. But, to our subject which is that history ( The Greatest Stories Never Told: 100 Tales from History to Astonish, Bewilder, and Stupefy
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The 70’s turned out okay and they keep forecasting oil shortages. Here there is confusion on the TYPE of oil. The century of crying wolf ( Crying Wolf
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And you can’t compare an agriculture empire collapse to an oil empire collapse. Every comparison between us and Rome or the Mayans misses that point ( but, we talked about that last week so I won’t rehash here much ). It isn’t as important to know what happened historically as to know WHY it happened. Or you will be drawing erroneous conclusions.
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a few years ago i did research into which 5 gallon buckets were safe to store food and bought paint buckets from OSH after calling their HQ and being told that the white HDPE 2 buckets were okay for food.
some months ago JWR warned that these types of buckets were no good for food unless specifically marked as such and that any food stored in pails not marked foodgrade should be assumed contaminated and tossed for safety.
i sealed the food in airtight mylar bags inside the pails but JWR said there could have been permeation and the food could be contaminated with mold-preventing chemicals. Some of the inner bags were Foodsaver. Should I toss this stuff out just to be safe? Would it be wrong to donate it to homeless people?
Mr Bison blog person
Beck is okay. I watch him every once in awhile. He wants people to look at the force's behind all the social-commu-n-ist thinking, how it got started and where it is going. I don't think his brain is pickled as you want to indicate.
I don't think calling Born Aginers a cult is quite kosher. Before you know it they will be calling preppers and survivalists KKKults. The only thing that stops it now is that part of Homeland Security advises you to have some food stockpiled for an EMERGENCY.
Yes, people panic and will do it again. Everyone is not privy to our insight. And just as you can't get some to formalize their religion, you can't get people to stock up on essentials. So HOUSTON we have a problem.
A slow decline won't be good. But will give us and especially you time to rack up the supplies and more time for you to work on telling people to wake up. I think this works in our favor.
History is only yesterday. Yes, it does cause problems for today. And as I can't see into the future, but I know what today is like, I will have to go by it. And so far it ain't looking no better.
aka: Valley Rat
Rome was more industrial and commercial than many understand. It towers over the abilities of other empires. When it collapsed, European industrial output (known through various ice and bog pollution samplings) was not matched until the 18th century. When they collapsed, Europe was worse off than it had been before the Empire was ever started: they retrograded past the start point.
The point of mentioning all these collapses is that they illustrate how, in the long run, transient our social structures. They solve a lot of problems, or at least are self maintaining, for very long stretches of time, dominate their immediate area, and then go away.
I have written about some of the off-the-beaten-path empires and civilizations primarily to give people an idea of just how many of them there were.
Y2K came alot closer to the disaster everyone was worried about than most people know. Literally it was the hard work of those who foresaw it that prevented a huge freezing of society. As it is, there were numerous chemical plant and refinery fires and mishaps that occurred for the following five years after, that were related to computer glitches.
My brother was one of those who was involved in the repair of the programing at that time and he says that he went through a year of no sleep due to worry.
Semperfido
I encourage anyone who thinks food storage is a good idea, but can't seem to manage to get their butt in gear in regards to food storage to wander over to youtube and watch some of the documentary material on the Ukrainian Famine "Holodomor" 1932-1933. It was a government organized famine. How did I not learn about this in world history (in college or in high school)? Watching the videos will convince you of the need to store food and to hide it well.
Hey Ellen, I was just wondering;
How do you rationalize "My God is alive,He is still in heaven,He still sits on the throne..."
with
"in your dreams you pimply faced wart"
or attacking me personally instead of attacking my article.
You all goody two shoes with your crafts and your cutesy little life. Then you go to survival blogs and vent all your anger and frustration because some reality entered your pathetic life and that "He Abides" stuff just don't cut it anymore.
Why can you insult me and think that's o.k. but let someone make a remark about religious people and you get your feelings hurt?
Why don't you sign your posts as
a.k.a.
hypocrite valley cock deprived bitch rat
Mohave Rat
Beck is a idiot! A bible thumping,self righteous know it all. Any body that listens to his views should not be allowed to vote They are too stupid to have a say in how our country is run. He is a fear monger who advocates hate towards our government that is borderline insurrection. I am an American and I love my country. We have our problems to be sure but glenn beck's caterwailing bullshit contributes nothing to the solution.
You are mistaken about stashing flour.
First, it goes buggy and stale pretty quickly, unless you invest in buckets and such.
Second, do half the people even know what to do with a bag of flour? Add water, make paste??
I'd be advising a tray of Top Ramen or chicken noodle soup for the average Joe/Josephine, or even a stash of Pringles for their emergency calories. Jar of peanut butter. Anything but flour.
The problem I have with all conservative talk shows including Beck is: They never tell you the solution to the problem. And voting is not a solution, it's much bigger than that!
I am with Mousse on the flour deal.
Pringles (nested potato-like chips) stacked in bulk quantities would probably be ideal.
Flour means baking which means fuel for the baking. Some will have that and some will not. Canned food required a can opener and a spoon (usually).
Where you are I recall that fuel (wood) is scarce, and you have propane tanks. What about a solar oven? I'm thinking about making one with plans from the net.
I had a beautiful .303 (made in 1917) stolen in the early 2000s. Really miss that rifle. Grandpa bought it, dad sporterized it, and I refinished it. Then some drug addled prick stole/sold it.
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