Thursday, December 09, 2010

apocalypse armory

APOCALYPSE ARMORY


I wanted to save this one for Friday Fundamentals but I was coming up with a blank on what to write today so I had to go with this. The discussion started in the comments section and I got to chewing on the issue and it was the only thing on my mind. Basically, what is a brother to do for a frugal arsenal now that the World War Two bolt guns ( The Master Gunmaker's Guide To Building Bolt-action Rifles ) are no longer affordable? Essentially nothing has changed on my recommendations, other than if you followed them you would need an extra hundred bucks. The Lee-Enfield is still the best surplus bolt gun out there, and the Russian Commie bolt is still the cheapest one available. You can still get a rimfire or shotgun for a hundred bucks brand new, but those are usually supplemental guns rather than ones primary weapon. So, if you can only afford one gun as the primary defensive weapon, and it can’t be the equivalent of a New Guinean’s five year income, what do you choose? We here at the Bisonian Institute For Advanced Tightass Preparedness do not believe that you should just throw money at a problem. If we did that we would be like all the rest of the Pollyanna’s, gratefully taking your money for the next twenty years by telling you everything will be alright because nothing bad ever happens to people that take ten years to put aside a food storage system ( How to Develop a Low-Cost Family Food-Storage System ).

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You all know why I love war surplus rifles ( Bolt Action Military Rifles of the World; The Full-Color Guide to All Your Favorite Vintage and Surplus Rifles ). They are solid and well built, capable of downing charging cavalry as you butt stroke your enemy after you bayonet them. Carbines are very useful for sending huge streams of lead downwind. In the near future, as commodities depletion jacks up ammo prices again, the cost of ammunition will be dear. Soon after that, no ammo will be available at all. First, it is priced above your pay grade, then it isn’t made anymore. Carbines are only a valid gun choice while the factories are humming along on cheap ore and oil ( hint- we’ve already started down the road where they don’t hum at all anymore ). Bolts, or semi’s which have been switched to manual reloading, are the only way to force yourself to conserve ammo. But now that surplus bolts are so much more expensive, does it make sense to buy them? I love bayonets ( GI Type M-9 Bayonet with Sheath ), but are they 100% necessary? Of course not. I wouldn’t feel too comfortable without one unless I had a revolver as back up, however. You can still buy those for a hundred bucks, with another hundred or so for the ammo. You should have a pistol anyway, regardless of main rifle choice.

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If you are very poor, you only have one choice which is the Russian bolt for a hundred bucks. Another hundred gets you 400 rounds of ammo. That combined retail price is less than the jobber price of an Enfield rifle alone. Even if it isn’t your first choice, get it if that is all you will have when rioting starts tomorrow after a super volcano ( Super Volcano: The Ticking Time Bomb Beneath Yellowstone National Park ) or mass solar flare ( A Paranoid's Ultimate Survival Guide: Dust Mites to Meteorites, Tsunamis to Ticks, Killer Clouds to Jellyfish, Solar Flares to Salmonella ) erupts and suddenly changes everything ( the volcano might be a long shot but flares can happen anytime ). I don’t like the Russian bolt because of the crappy sights ( you must drill and tap for glass which makes it a not so affordable rifle anymore ) and because of the lack of a gas vent safety ( or whatever you call the feature that directs the gases from an exploding primer or case away from your face ). But it is less dangerous than having no rifle or ammunition. No, modern ammo is almost never a problem, but once you start improvising with paper cases and improvised mercury primers the lack of the safety might be bothersome. But, again, better than nothing.

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Once you decide against a Russian bolt, everything pretty much cost the same. An Enfield, or Mauser, or modern single shot. Even perhaps a lever action. They all cost $225-$300. And once a rifle costs that much, isn’t the negatives of a surplus rifle more pronounced? Everything that you didn’t care about when the rifle was half the cost now is much more important. The ugly beat up exterior. The fact it was used and abused. The oddball ammo, the extreme weight ( which sucks marching with but is nice in hand to hand melees ). Beating up the cases by their sloppy action. Less tolerant machining ( the older guns used the expanding case to seal the breech while the new guns are so well made they are machined so fine the case doesn’t need to do that job- important when using homemade/improvised cases ). If you are going to spend $300, might other guns be a better choice? The single shot break open ( Crosman Quest 1000X Breakbarrel Air Rifle air rifle ) in .223 gives you the option of mid range sniping using enemy rounds. Some folks love the lever action for common pistol/carbine ammo. Others sport wood over pump action shotguns. Or whatever. The good thing about surplus guns drying up is that now you can buy modern rifles without feeling guilty about it ( “Damn the Gods! I know an Enfield is better than this toy but I felt I was special enough to raid the kids college fund- the little bastards would just drink all their brain cells to death anyway!” ). The bad thing is that the surplus bolts were so good at what they did that it is a shame you can’t afford them. Well, you can’t afford to overpay for their faults, anyway.

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Financially, it now seems silly to overpay once for a rifle and then twice as you are buying oddball ammo ( does not apply to the Russian gun ). The modern guns at least are excused with the lure of far more affordable ammunition. So, if you won’t go with the Russian, my second choice would be the SKS ( AK/SKS Stripper Clips/20 Pack ) now. The Mausers seem to have become even scarcer than the Enfield ( I spent a whole $6 on an issue of Shotgun News and only found three Mausers- the Swiss bolt [ I’m sure not technically a Mauser ]( Shotgun News Shotgun News, 1 Yr/6 Issues ), the Mitchell’s Mausers and a no paperwork pre-1899 beat to crap unit ) and I imagine no cheaper. If you spend the $225-250 on an SKS and change it to a bolt by disabling the gas reload you have a nice military bolt gun. Simple, robust, nice sights, almost affordable. And the ammo is as cheap as its going to get. Creekmore went with the AK-74 ( The AK-47 and AK74 Kalashnikov Rifles and Their Variations )( AK74 Side Mount with Double Rails ) and I believe the ammo is both cheaper and the gun more accurate but there is the question of future ammo availability which is not as much of a problem with the 7.62x39. If you go with that one, will you just be repeating the “one time cheap, future unavailable” issue the Enfields and Mausers gave us? Obviously, keep in mind the change from battle rifle round to carbine round and make sure it is feasible for your terrain.

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15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey Jim I am very pleased that you 'stuck to your guns' as I mentioned last week. Your logic is excellent. If someone is really, really poor (they don't even have cable) then they might have to plan on getting a gun the way the Jews did during the uprising; take it from your enemy. You basically just keep trading up. Of course, in our case you may end up with an M4; beggars can't be choosey, eh?
One other thing, you are going to need a better acronym than BIATP.

M.D. Creekmore said...

Ammo is a concern with the AK-74 but at $149 for a 1080 round tin stocking up on several thousand rounds is possible.

For the prise of one AR-15 you could buy the AK-74, 10 magazines and 3,000+ rounds of ammo and still have money left to go see a movie.

And the AK-74 is more reliable and will stand up better to hard use and abuse and mine will shoot 3 inch or smaller groups at 100 yards with Russian surplus ammo.

Keep up the good work James you have a good blog here.

Anonymous said...

I saw a show on the Military Channel that ranked the top-ten battle rifles of all time. Your beloved Lee Enfield was #3 all time!! Just behind the AK(#1) and the M-16. You'll be glad to know that they did mention the M-16's propensity for jamming (solved, they said, by vigilant cleaning, quality ammo and the correct lubricant for the environment).

The Mosin-Nagant (I am assuming this is the "hundred dollar" Russian rifle you are refering to) got an Honorable Mention.

An SKS goes for $400 in my neck of the woods. No thanks.

russell1200 said...

SKS is an odd weapon. My understanding is that it is inherently unstable in flight which makes it tumble within the body very readily. The problem is that this apparently makes it relatively inaccurate: if (universily versus ammo specific) true, than it would not be my choice to go bolt action with.

I have seen some relatively inexpensive 5 round mag 308 Winchest Bolt actions with scope. I saw this Mossberg at a store for less then listed here: http://www.impactguns.com/store/015813262002.html

The 308 Winchester (7.62 NATO) round is not the cheapest, but it is extremely common.

You would have to believe that there are some 30-06 bolt actions out there as well. As the standard deer rifle round for years, your not going to have accuracty problems. You also have slightly more umph at distance. Important for those of us (not naming names) who may want to be taking long range shots in their oversized sandboxes.

Solsys said...

Lord Bison is too modest to mention he DID warn us in due time about bolt action rifle become unaffordable. If I remember correctly, it was even in the Bison Survival Newsletter.

This just as a reminder that a lot of what we can read here is well worth of our time.

James is indeed already way ahead than most preppers would EVER be

There, rimjob finished mylord.

Anonymous said...

Sell your grinder and a ton of wheat. Buy yerself an 03-A3 and a can of ammo. Jeezz.

It'd take you six months to grind all that wheat anyway.

Don't buy a POS no matter what it costs and that includes all .223 poodle poppers.

Mountain rifleman

Anonymous said...

Great article Lord Bison - For those of us living in urban areas (short ranges ) what about the lowly pump shotgun? I can buy an 18 inch barrel, cylinder bore, Chinese copy of an 870 Remington for $180.00! I think most novice shooters are better with a shotgun at short range or at night. One trigger pull sends 8 lovely .360 lead balls downrange. You can reload shotshells with primitive tools. Some folks even pick up used shotcups off the skeet range and reuse them! If the SHTF I expect to take some very nice rifles from criminals who "no longer need them"
Hail Darwin

russell1200 said...

One other thought.

You never tell us what your likely range of engagement will be.

What someone in the desert may need is likely to be very different than someone in an urban or suburban settings.

Suburban settings with their intentionally curved roads, often have some of the shortest lines of site. Urban settings (oddly enough) with their long straight thoroughfares have both some of the shortest and longest fields of fire outside of a flat plowed field.

Our troops in Afghanistan are often being engaged at 900 yards. It is not a great range to be trying to hit at, but I assume the Taliban is doing it because they have hunting rifles, and that only two out of eight will be able to respond. Since our troops are the ones walking around and visible, they are much more likely to get hit than the hidden Taliban.

Because there is no artillery and mortar being fired at our troops, casualties are low. But most of those casualties are coming from Small arms fire.

Anonymous said...

An American made 12 gauge pump shotgun is a great adjunct to your American made big bore.

Mountain rifleman

Michael said...

Russell, our troops over in The Stan are getting sniped at with old Enfields.

Few places around my place have sightlines of more than about 100 yards and I figure that my chances of shooting someone that's hunkered down over 100 yards away sniping at me (if they don't just kill me outright- which they probably would) are pretty slim. So, just like in the movie Zombie Land, rule #1 for me is cardio. If there're long sightlines RUN!

Since it's pretty fuckin' hard to run with an enormous 10 pound rifle and I wont be taking long shots, that pretty much rules out a need for an old military bolt action. I also want to blend in as much as possible and that means not wandering around in full battle rattle toting an AR and a chest rig or a 4½’ long relic with a spear on the end of it. My solution: a lever action in .357 or .30-30. I went for the .357, cheap training ammo, capable of taking deer with .357 rounds and smaller game with .38 ball, small & light weight so you can run or bike with it, and a sporting arm so you can blend in a bit. I also like that the rounds are small and that the gun can be reloaded before it’s empty.

I have a .357 revolver, but it’s a ginormous thing and wont be for daily carry. It’s a good woods gun. I need to pick up either a smallish 9mm or biggish .380 for daily carry. I’m leaning towards a CZ 83 in .380.

K said...

For those that have the funds ( a couple hundred sheets of future toilet paper) and inclination, consider making a kit gun. Cabela's currently has a cheap one for sale-

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Black-Powder/Traditional-Rifles-Shotguns%7C/pc/104792580/c/104701680/sc/104641380/Traditions8482-Kentucky-Rifle-Kit/706190.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FN%3D1100202

A more expensive, but flintlock kit gun-

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Traditional-Hawken-Unfinished-Flintlock-Rifle-Kit/727319.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dflintlock&Ntt=flintlock

Don't forget to read the comment sections.

If a hundred years from now you have decendants I think a flintlock firearm would most likely be more valuable to them than a modern era gun.

russell1200 said...

Michael

I am sure there are Enfields around.

But it is my understanding that the Russian SVD 7.62x54R sniper round (or Chinese knock off) are the weapons of choice now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_sniper_rifle

You are also started seeing some tactics that looked more Chechnian-which is not good.

You are correct about the weight for the M1 Garand (almost 10 pounds) but your hunting rifle .762x51 NATO (.308 Winchester) is going to weigh less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_70

But I agree completely, at 100 yards, if someone is waiting you to come out your front yard, you are in serious trouble. In King Phillips War (1676) that is what the Indians did to the pilgrims. And since the Pilgrims houses were spread out somewhat suburban style even in the towns, and because the war had not been occurring in their neck of the woods yet they apparently felt that they did not need to post guards, it worked extremely well. They picked them off one at a time as they came out their front door to start their chores. And that was with non-rifled flintlocks.

Anonymous said...

You folks in the 100 yard kill zone don't need firearms. Get in yer tree stand and watch as the commies kill commies with commie guns.

Then when they're all dead go to the country where the deer hunters use real rifles, .30 caliber, or better and heavy, 10 to 12 pounds. If you can't carry that then stay in the 100 yard zone with yer poodle popper.

Plenty of commies will be left to kill, they won't kill each other off completely. 'Bout like frozen Chosin; those commies that the 1st Marine Division didn't kill, froze to death. The Marines killed 'em with the big stuff, some of 'em in real close.

Semper Fi

Mountain rifleman

vlad said...

Mauser 98 8x57, Springfield 03A3 3006, and
SMLE Nr 4 Mk1 303 British are all excellent rifles,
Mau 98 and 03A3 hold five rounds and cock
on opening. SMLE holds ten, and cocks on closing
which is faster than cock on opening.
Within 500 yards they strike a killing blow.

Rem 700 22" barrel 30-06
Speer 150 gr spitzer BC .389 1006 ft lb at 500
MV......100......200.....300.....400...500
2800....+5.......+6.......poa....-13....-36
SMLE 25" barrel 303 Brit
150 gr spitzer bc 411 808 ft lb at 500
mv........100.....200.....300....400....500
2500......+6.......+7........poa...-17....-45
Mauser 98 24" barrel 8x57
Speer 150 gr spitzer BC .369 980 ft lb at 500
mv......100......200....300......400......500
2600....5.........7........poa.....-16.....-44

Jack said...

This was really a fantastic article, and as I've read your other stuff I've really enjoyed it. I came here looking for law enforcement tactical gear but I got pulled in and am intrigued by your love of surplus bolt actions. I'm gonna have to start frequenting guns shows to see if I can't dig up one of these Russian bolts you're talking about.