FRIDAY FUNDAMENTALS-PRECIOUS METALS
Let’s just get it out of the way first so we can go about our business in peace. No, you can’t eat gold. Gold will not keep you alive during the collapse. Gold should never be bought except when all your food and arms have already been attended to. You don’t buy six months supply of freeze dried pigs ass and then start buying gold. You store three to five years worth of food per person, and only then do you start to buy precious metals ( and of course I include other essentials such as warm clothing, lighting, alternate heat, etc. in the items you need prior to precious metals )(
The Collapse of the Dollar and How to Profit from It: Make a Fortune by Investing in Gold and Other Hard Assets
). Gold, silver and copper are not meant as a survival tool, they are the means of transferring your surplus wealth from one generation to another and from the Oil Age to the Post Oil Age.
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We all earn a huge surplus of wealth. Even the minimum wage earners. In this era in which petroleum gives every man, woman or child dozens if not hundreds of Petroleum Slaves, at least in America and its approved economic client states, it is so simple to set aside wealth which would dazzle the kings of old. With a minimum of effort and sacrifice we can all put our wealth into investments and insurance. The Age Of Plenty is already unraveling and by acting now, immediately, you can built a bit of a safety cushion against the coming Dark Ages (
Long-Term Survival In The Coming Dark Age: Preparing to Live after Society Crumbles
). The age where we all go back to, after much chaos and anarchy and fighting over the scraps ( “We kill for stuff we used to throw away” ), when the new guarded infrastructure gets into place, being lucky to produce twenty percent surplus crops to maintain the powers that guard our bounty. You have a last once in a lifetime opportunity to provision against that future. First and foremost is the petroleum grown grains. They might have quadrupled in cost in twelve years but they are still a screaming bargain. What took a medieval tradesman hours of labor to buy takes us minutes. Buy the surplus food while it is affordable. Then, all the cheap tools from China. After your basic needs are met, after all the solar panels (
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) and batteries and grain grinders and water filters and winter clothing and guns and ammo, then you can buy precious metals.
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Wow, I’m glad we got that out of the way. Critics satisfied, we can sing the praises of precious metals. Gold is the proven wealth preserve of the ages. An illiterate beggar from a thousand years and Billy Bob the Redneck Yahoo (
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) in ten years time will both instinctively know the value of gold. It doesn’t need persuasion, it has always been known as the ultimate store of value ( with the exception of the last few decades when bankers could fool the masses into believing that paper currency backed by oil was more valuable- and it was for a short period of time ). And it will revert back to that status soon. Personally, I think that anyone alive who still believes paper has value deserves the fleecing they will get. Yes, paper is the only trading commodity accepted now. And you need enough on hand for immediate needs. But to go beyond that, to place your faith in ANY paper promise ( 401k, government pension, Social Security, bonds, stocks ) is to be a friggin schmuck. Gold will hold its value once all the paper promises circle the drain of our current economy. It is wealth, not the promise of wealth ( remember, precious metals are for AFTER the collapse, not for during- that is where you need beans and bullets ).
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Silver is the poor mans gold (
NEW Buffalo/Indian Head Nickel Art Coin 1 TROY OZ .999 SILVER BULLION
). You might not think your poor ass can afford it, after the spot price hit $30 an ounce. So let me illustrate a bit by my own silver stash. I didn’t go crazy on silver. A few handfuls. But at the time I bought it it was only five to seven bucks an ounce. You are resentful, I see. But consider its true cost rather than the inflated one. At the time I could have taken the same money per ounce and bought a box of 303 ammo (
Ammo & Ballistics 3, Third Edition : For Hunters, Shooters, and Collectors, Completely Updated (Ammo & Ballistics for Hunters, Shooters, & Collectors)
), new manufacture. Or a fifty pound sack of wheat. Silver has now advanced to a box and a half of ammo or two sacks of wheat. I didn’t see a six fold increase, I only really saw a 1-1/2 and a two fold increase. The money gain is an illusion. You can’t think of dollar terms, paper currency manipulation, but in terms of buying power. I’m ahead of the game temporarily, until wheat doubles in price and ammo goes up again. I beat the re-pricing to truer, scarcity driven commodity it is true, but I don’t believe you will be overpaying for silver. I believe you buy what you can and be thankful you will be one of just a few that can preserve their wealth. Both gold and silver (
Ruff's Little Book of Big Fortunes in Gold and Silver: A Middle Class License to Print Money
) are easy to buy. You go to a retail coin shop and ask to buy bullion. No collectables or jewelry or fancy crap. Just bullion coins. You will pay X amount over that days spot price. Take immediate delivery and don’t tell anyone and bury that sucker. You can buy junk silver, the old dairy circulation coins that were discontinued in 1965, but most likely you will be paying a premium due to demand. I don’t think one ounce private minted coins will have a problem being accepted in the near future ( and, as one who worked twenty years in retail, I’ll tell you right now there is ZERO circulating silver junk coins- been that way since a few years pre-Y2K ).
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Yuppie Survivalists will discount copper pennies as a poor way to spend your time. They are looking at copper as an industrial commodity. After industry has all but vanished, already minted copper coins will be worth a premium over copper scrap. Because they are already minted in an economy where energy costs are astronomical ( what happens when you go from cheap oil to expensive wood/animal/human powered ). Look at pre-Industrial Age American prices. Meat at 16 cents a pound. Flour at five cents a pound, etc. ( sorry, I might be off a bit- going by memory ). A penny bought a lot in a precious metal currency Agricultural Age (
On the Agricultural Community of the Middle Ages, and Inclosures of the Sixteenth Century in England: Tr. From the German of E. Nasse, by Colonel H.a. Ouvry .... [ 1871 ]
) economy. Sort through your coins and save the pre-82 pennies. And no, there is no way to cheat on sorting. You must look on the dates since fifty year old coins can look bright and shiny and a two year old one can be dull ( the new ones come out shiny and the old well circulated pennies generally become deeply dulled- but appearances always vary and are no guide to age ). Put your kids to work sorting and keep a Grinch List. Those that don’t work are the first into the stew pot.
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For the survivalist that already has everything, precious metals.
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21 comments:
Ah, put your kids to work sorting change. Nice to know that slavery never went out of style.
You should still pay attention to your change - just last week I received a 1946 dime in change. Current value is $2.10. Keep both your eyes and ears open as sometimes they have a distinct look but silver coins ALWAYS make a distinct sound! Ask around. Kids running cash registers don't care but if you offer them 10 times face they will and you will get a bargain.
What are your thoughts on nickel,many are saying there will be some value there as well!?
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Perhaps I am thick-headed, but I still don't follow the argument to spend money on precious metals instead of actual products one can use, if necessary. Why not store up lots of 22lr ammo and sell/trade this in the future for whatever other thing it is you value? Or store primers/powder. If nothing better comes along, at least you have some ammo. I'd rather have ammo than a sock full of silver coins. You have to get too close to hit anything with a make-shift flail.
Another way to save is with nickels. Check Coinflation.com. Today the value of the metal in a nickle is 127.20% of the cost of the nickle (or 6.36 cents each).
JP in MT
I always thought 22lr rounds would make fine currency.
Its all in the timing. In the 80's, buying 7.62x39 ammo for your AK was really expensive. Then the Chinese Norinco boat came ashore and 500 rd. cans at $25 (two in a crate - $40!) arrived and if you thought to store enough of that for your $80 SKS or $200 AK, you were doing well.
Whats the going price for that same ammo now - $160 for that same can? Nearly 7 times what it was 20 years ago.
Timing - its all timing.
We sort 1982 pennies in a separate pile and occasinally pull out the digital postage scale which weighs items in either ounces or grams. 95% copper pennies with a 1982 date weigh about 3.2 grams while the copper coated zinc pennies with a 1982 date weigh 2.5 grams.
Uh, nice hair!
You forgot to mention silvers other value. Broad-spectrum anti-viral and anti-biotic!
One ounce will last a group a lifetime.
Colloidal Silver, cheap meds from the 1930's!
The 3, 9v batteries and some clips last a long time.
You cant eat gold, but silver you can drink and kill all kinds of germs! Great for wounds too!
Don't know about over there but here in the UK the new copper coins are magnetic, makes it easy to sort the real copper from the junk.
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My thoughts on nickels- not too tradeable after collapse. No one will be interested in melting them down, not on a micro scale.
Silver dimes are no. 1 with me because a silver dollar or even a silver quarter may be a week's wages and who wants to spend that on a loaf of bread?
Silver 'n' gold are getting valuable enough that it may make sense to learn what electronic boards and components are worth collecting and tossing into a pile for later. It's worth it hitting up the cashiers etc too for silver coins.
WE KILL FOR WHAT WE USED TO THROW AWAY we may well see that. Hell I've been threatened collecting WALNUTS that normally just rot in the drainage ditches and along the roadside, NOW. Yes, I live in a prime English walnut producing area, and no one even knows how to graft or how to maintain a grafted tree now. Hope you like eating nasty ol' black walnuts, people.
There's stray silver out there, in garage sales, antique and "junk" stores, etc.
But, the prime thing, the Prime Directive lol, is survival and PMs are only a small part of this. Pioneers died of scurvy lying under pine trees that could have saved them. They starved lying on a blanket of bugs and roots, surrounded by nutritious sap all around. Yeah, I've tried fresh pine sap, it's yummy and sweet and worth trying if only for the look of anyone with you, when they get a wiff of your breath. Whoo, piney!
General knowledge, general handyness. The kind Heinlein extolled. That's survival.
I have all the silver I need: A one-ounce ingot, sawn in half. For making colloidal silver.
Sure,guns/ammo food,tools etc. would be great to have if they become expensive or hard to obtain in the future.
But there's several factors that pertain to Gold that don't to other items:
1) It won't spoil,rot,rust or otherwise go bad
2) It is highly portable
Many of you out there seem to be of the mind set that your location will remain fixed, or that relocation with all your gear will be feasible.
Things change, and your oh-so-thoughtfully choosen and prepared
Doomstead might not work out due
unforeseen circumstances.
Perhaps you'll need to relocate.
Ahhh Right. And you'll be ferrying
these bulky stores around how ...
when fuel is difficult, costly or downright unobtainable.
True, you can't eat gold, bu you can easily transport it. And likely, a collapse wouldn't be
worldwide in scope, or at least of the same magnitude everywhere.
If there's any commerce beyond barter to be had, then gold would probably allow you to obtain goods and services.
And bison spoke real wisdom when he stated that currently we live in a time of plenty that in retrospect, might be unbelievable.
Great article as usual Lord Bison - I have a little silver but lean more towards barter goods that can be traded. For example, how about a high quality shake flashlight like the Nightstar? I wrote a guest article about these a few months ago. Works forever with no batteries or bulbs. Currently I can buy these for 40 dollars. What could I get for a forever source of light later? Also, what about a large stock of rechargeable batteries and a solar charger. You keep the solar charger and charge a small fee for recharging. You could even brew colloidal silver using solar power and sell that. I am not downing the concept of precious metals, just suggesting alternatives.
Hail Darwin and Lord Bison, ruler of the junk land vastness!
Yes guys, .22 lr is a great storehouse of wealth (or any other ammo) but unlike silver, you can't sell/trade it with/to just anybody. You might be arming the guy who is going to kill you. Plus, from an 'investment' viewpoint, you have to sell something to realize a profit. Most likely that silver dime or .22 will buy you something to eat, not bring you twenty times what you paid for it in money.
Nickels are a great savings program. They force you to save, are worth a little more intrinsically, and are a pain in the ass to spend (forcing you to keep them unless you are desperate). Most importantly, during extreme inflation governments 'drop zeros' and issue new currency - calling in the old. But, because coins are so bulky (and people generally have so few on hand) they leave them alone. So those little nickels could end up being worth $5 or $50 or whatever.
"Buy the surplus food while it is affordable. Then, all the cheap tools from China. After your basic needs are met, after all the solar panels and batteries and grain grinders and water filters and winter clothing and guns and ammo, then you can buy precious metals."
Yes, but if one is preparing to survive a long-term collapse, one cannot ever have enough food, water filters, blankets, durable clothes, etc. all stored up. I'm not even sure what "enough" would look like. Why a three to six year supply of food and not a ten year supply?
I think precious metals are not really part of survivalism. They are part of trying to remain or become wealthy in some future world. I'm not into upward mobility. I just want to be able to get by if the world around me starts to go down the toilet.
oh,great wise one with perfect hair,forgive me for correcting your wisdom.
They do make home sorting machines for pennies,but they are a bit pricey for me,about 120 bucks.Too much to invest to me,as I'm bored to tears right now and unemployed.From what I read,they are very accurate.
As for nickel's,why bother??Yes,nickel has an industrial use,but what good is industrial metal if we're grid down?If you want to invest in industrial metal,buy cobalt or tungsten. At 125% over the face value,pennies are at 260 over face,and MORE useful.Try to melt a nickel,purify it,etc....A penny is already 95 % pure,pre 82.
As far as junk silver,I find plenty of it,at FACE value!! You need to know where to get it! Sorry,its a secret I won't share!One secret I will share tho,you have better luck with half dollars.Everyone believes that anything after 64 is not worth saving.After 64,halfs were 40 percent silver,til 69,so they are worth saving.Last week I got a franklin half and 9 40% halfs,about 40 bucks in silver,at FACE value!
Dean in az
I'll have to disagree abut PM post collapse, at least for a few years after; don't think they'll be worth much at all.
If there is a slow collapse, PMs can act as a hedge against inflation and you can "cash" them out for goods/services most others won't be able to afford. Probably a slow collapse will eventually trigger a faster/total collapse.
A fast collapse scenario means a large die off in the U.S., perhaps 60-80% or more. A year after the crash, gold and silver jewelry (and coins) will be laying around empty homes for looters and scavengers to take; I’m not promoting the idea, just pointing out the obvious. There will be no logical reason to want nickel, and copper wiring and pipes in building the dead don’t use will make copper pennies worthless as well. In the aftermath of a fast collapse, precious metals are not needed.
Many years after a true collapse PMs will be worth something. But not for a good long while.
To Dean in AZ - sorry sir, your secret is not much of a secret. Here in SC the banks (at least the ones I have checked) require you to buy entire boxes of dimes and quarters from the Fed for what they contain -$1000 face. That is a bit much for me. I was also guaranteed that what little the bank had in halves had been thoroughly searched. I am glad you can afford to play at this hobby while being unemployed; however I can not. Best of luck. Feel free to correct me if I am in error on any point.
One more comment on pennies...If you were to break a widget,a newer zinc penny would be easy to melt and cast if you could make a mold.
Dean in az
PMs have and always will be a store of wealth and be used as a means of exchange.
Commerce will continue at some level.
What if you need a tractor, land or the recently deceased Perkins place the heirs are trying to unload? Those bricks of .22 and canned string beans aint going to cut it.
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