Thursday, January 13, 2011

collapse conceal carry

COLLAPSE CONCEAL CARRY


Before I talk about guns today, a subject sure to get most nipples tingling which is half the reason I step into that minefield, I simply must respond to a loyal minion’s comment. “That's a pretty crappy thing to say, Jim. If you really believe that, you should be acting on it, instead of talking trash behind a blog. What's the difference between someone who agrees with the act, and someone who carries it out? Guts. It's irresponsible to say garbage like that if you don't believe it, and if you do, well... well... I lost my train of thought. But I'm not impressed, to say the least. Aren't we supposed to be better than them? Aren't we the only thing standing between them and their goals? I'm fizzing out. But in a nutshell, that statement about "deserving it" was B.S. You don't know those two, the judge and rep, and I'm fairly certain you'll agree with me and recant that worthless-ass statement in the morning, when you're sober. Thanks for an otherwise wonderful blog, Jim. Now that TOR is going underground, my "usuals" are shrinking, so straighten up and fly right.”

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Golly, where to begin? First off, I take no umbrage at being a spectator. Just like most of you sit in your La-Z-Boy chair and suck in football hours at a time, mindlessly rooting for your home team ( because God knows if you don’t cheer them on from in front of your TV they simply can’t win ) I sit in front of the computer and mindlessly root for the downfall of our government. Any act pushing it towards that “state” gets my approval. Yes, I know what we have is better than the collapse ( the actual state of collapse will be worse, I’m not sure about afterwards ). But I can’t help myself. Far too many worthless asshats are sucking off the fat of others and I hate them. Look at it like an ex-wife. The bitch deserves to die, and it would be nice to kill her even if your life would be even worse afterwards. That’s kind of how I feel about the federal government and all its little lackey sub-units of control ( and I hate the central bank even more ). I’ll say it again. I won’t help the collapse. I‘m only rooting for it. Helping the collapse just puts me in jail where I’ll die ( more on that below in the main article ).

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Next, the statement about the scumbag judge deserving to die. Let’s go back a bit through history. Hans is a patriotic citizen. He loves his wife, adores his children and thinks while Der Fuhrer might be a bit extreme, he is just what the country needs. In short, Hans is a really nice guy. He does his duty and herds the Jews into cattle cars for disposal. Boris is a patriotic citizen. He loves his wife, adores his children and thinks the Communist Revolution is just what the country needs. In short, Boris is a really nice guy. He does his duty and raids homes at 3AM to jail dissidents that threaten the stability of the state. Gomer is a patriotic citizen. He loves his wife and adores his children. He thinks that the only way to continue the American Way Of Life is to bring law and order about the land. He is proud to jail the unruly. While the drug laws might seem a bit harsh, he still thinks that society can’t run amok and needs his guidance.

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I’ll spell it out for those that don’t get it. Being a really nice guy doesn’t excuse you when you ruin innocent lives. Be it imprisoning Jews, exiling to Siberia the dissidents or prosecuting those guilty only of victimless crimes. Federal judges are friggin scumbags. I won’t call for their execution, but I’ll sure root others on if they remove these cankers.

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Today, concealed weapons permits and the collapse. Is it a good idea to beg the state for one of your rights, pay them for the privilege and jump through hoops to protect yourself? At first blush, it would appear so. As the collapse nears, violence increases. Before, the permanently unemployed were channeled into drug dealing to make ends meet. This helped out the CIA meet its funding issues. And kept the ghetto relatively quiet, since Home Slice got a taste of the American Pie. But now, great swaths of middle America is being laid off, and they would never dream of breaking the law to keep going. Until their assets prevent them from getting Food Stamps. Eventually they will enter crime, but I would wager since we’ve all been indoctrinated against the Evils Of Drugs ( just say no! ), to avoid that stigma our newly starving will go for more traditional crimes such as burglary. They can fool themselves into believing they are Robin Hood, stealing only from the rich. Those left with some possessions will rightly want to arm themselves to protect what is theirs. Plus, the real scumbags, to avoid the new competition, might go for smash and grabs or more violent activities. Again, it only makes sense to arm yourself as the collapse gets closer.

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Alas, once you apply for a concealed weapons permit, you automatically appear on every police computer list. You are the first scheduled for confiscation. And, I would wager that if yet ANOTHER contrived assassination occurs, the police will be on Double Top Secret alert and have trigger fingers as they come around for your guns. Applying for a concealed permit is painting yourself with a bullseye. So, what to do? You can up and move to a handful of open carry states, or one of two no-permit concealed states. Good luck with that, between not being able to either sell your house or finding another job. There really is no good solution. You need the protection but don’t want to expose yourself to the State. And you don’t want to break the law. The Militia folks can puff up their chests, full of righteous indignation, proclaim themselves Mighty Independent Freemen, and cry out, “better tried by twelve than carried by six”. I snicker. If you are tried, you will go to jail, you will get AIDS from being brutally gang raped ( this assumes the assault doesn’t kill you outright ) and you will die anyway. You can’t take the risk of jail, being stuck behind bars when the collapse comes. Read your Lucifer’s Hammer and ask yourself if you feel lucky enough to get a decent cop like the one that let out all but the serial killer.

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I don’t think there is a good answer outside moving to a small town and trying to go out of your property as little as possible. Inside the perimeter is foxholes, hot chow and safety. Outside is Charlie. If Johnny Law wants it nearly impossible to protect yourself outside your home, try to stay home. I would not live where you didn’t have, at minimum, a right to have a rifle in your truck and a knife on your hip for the times you did have to venture into town. Far from perfect, problematic in and of itself ( how do you make a living? How do you get supplies safely? ) I still feel that is a better solution than living in the middle of the jungle, fearfully clutching at a token defense, hoping your good paying job will last long enough to buy your perfect retreat.

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18 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't think you converted too many folks with your connect-a-dot between Hans, Boris, and Gomer. Still seems like you're talking a big game from behind your keyboard. I'm guessing, from your words, that if you had a federal judge sitting tied to a chair in an old warehouse, and you were watching a psychopath dancing around him with a razor blade to Stealers Wheel, you'd encourage him to do his worst? I'm not an artist like you Jim, but I try to mix the humor with the horror at times. I just don't think I can embrace your horror any more. Adios, muchacho-

-Humongous

Bubblehead Les. said...

Another view point: Since most people tend to make big purchases with Credit Cards, the Federales can just access the records of every purchase made with said cards at every gun store. They then can see who bought a gun when, and use that datum to make their gun raids. Example: On June 1st., Joe Blow went to Ye Olde Weapons Shoppe and spent $600. Logic would dictate that he wasn't buying DVD's. This also applies to those who buy large amounts of food, ammo, medicines, etc to stockpile against "The Day". Stalin used a similar plan after the Russian Revolution to go after the "Hoarders" who were fighting Collectivism. He just used College Students to sneek around, and they would call in the NKVD to make the arrests.

So use cash when you can, but don't assume you aren't already on 20+ different Watch-lists and Databases just by existing in the U.S.A. today. I'd say just get your CCW and get used to carrying a firearm with you at all times you're not locked behind closed doors. WTSHTF, you'll be armed anyway, right? Might as well get used to it now. Besides, you might be the one at the next mass shooting, or mugging, or carjacking, or drive-by, and do you want to fight your way out with a can of beans from the Safeway?

Anonymous said...

That very reason is why I've chosen not to get a CHL - in the event of impending chaos, authorities will focus on gun owners 1st, and those records are the 1st place they have at their fingertips.

I think your description of Good People behaving badly is spot on. Many people in the military have committed attrocities because of given that 'THATS AN ORDER', implying follow it or suffer the consequences. Many of the Nuremberg trials had explanations of 'I WAS ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS'.

Anonymous said...

I agree that in the midst of social chaos, it is hard to predict how invasive and crazy the government will get to maintain a sense of control. Short of dire collapse, however, I'll take my CCW permit.

Where I live there are about 200,000 CCW's given out in a state with about 3,000,000 people in it. Outside of a couple of urban areas, all of the county sheriffs are very supportive of CCW. With all of the shortfalls in local government budgets it is hard to believe the state/county/etc. would ever have the manpower to check up on 7% of the population, particularly with local law enforcement that thinks the CCW carriers are the good guys. Plus, I can carry a firearm NOW without worrying about breaking the law.

Anonymous said...

Jim, there are those of us whom you have converted (or didn't need converting) and good riddance to Humongous and his ilk. There are plenty of sites where they still live in a dream world and believe the empire can be saved. The same dream world that that thinks there is a difference between our government bad guys and Hitler's, Stalin's, Pol Pot's, etc. Without government of any type life would be better for everyone. Unfortunately it seems to be human nature to form groups to gang up on smaller groups/individuals and steal what they have (shall we bring organized religion into this-same thing). That's why the original idea was to have a loose confederation of INDIVIDUAL states. I am glad I don't have to explain to the founders why we fucked up what was ostensibly a very workable plan. All we had to do was follow the simple list of basic rules they left; but NO....

Sorry to ramble. Stick to your guns (think I've told you that before) and be glad to get rid of Humongous et al. Willing to bet he's reading this, though....

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I didn't get a CCW permit for just that reason. Not that I have an evil gun that kills people.

If you want to go one better, I have a good friend who is a gun collector and shooter. He inventoried/pictured and insured all his guns.

I think I understand where your article is coming from--Unintended Consequences.

Not sure if I agree with it, not sure if I could stomach it, but I do think that this is where we are headed.

As the collapse picks up speed, things will only get crazier. Buckle up and get ready.

Idaho Homesteader

Anonymous said...

Jim,
No need for apologies. I can't agree more, just one more guy that is not going to suck off the public tit and have his hand in my wallet

Anonymous said...

Hey Jim,
about the comment on yesterday's post....I agree that voting doesn't help, except for that nut case in Arizona. He voted with his pistol!

Anonymous said...

It has been said that it is impossible to speak in such a way that some people won't still deliberately fail to understand you. Goodbye Humongous. Door,ass,etc.

State gun laws are often talked about in survival blog forums, but I have rarely heard discussion of the states you most want to avoid being incarcerated in. The state prisons in Louisiana, Texas and California come to mind as places best avoided by nice white boys. Of course don't do anything that would put yourself there, but if you avoid the "bad prison" states then you can't accidently end up there. Federal prisons are the prefered incarceration dwellings of the connoisseurs in these matters.

Go collapse!!

Brass said...

Humongous,

Yes. Gomer usually hates being compared to Hans and Boris.

James m Dakin said...

Humongus did leave with style and good form. He didn't cuss me out or act illogically. So I can't fault him for leaving, and will actually miss him unlike a lot of others. Let's give credit where it is due.

Ken said...

I like to listen to your point of view, doesn't mean I always agree, but I do get your point and respect you for having the guts to say it, because a lot of flag wavers are going to tune you out after that. Hopefully Humongous was having an emotional reaction, and will later understand why someone (you) might say/think what they do, and consider it, doesn't mean he has to agree. Fact of life is that there are basic philisophical difference between people and groups, and that is exactly why we NEED to consider the other persons opionion. I only wish government would do a better job of understanding their enemies as well as their friends.

And, Brass 12:37, awesome comment, so, so true, I LMFAO!

I still like my idea that the government wants the civilian population armed to the nines! I tell you it's part of their homeland protection strategy, - No foriegn invaders, baby. Doesn't mean that they won't put an individual to the torch, just that the "Wild West" would be unleashed on any invaders. Anyways, I've got my CPL, we'll just have to see how it plays out.

Suburban Survivalist said...

Completely underwhelmed with your "fed judges are scumbags" argument. Overall a lame comment and lamer defense of it.

Anonymous said...

anon 11:03--

I just bailed on an 8 year stint of working for a contractor at Cincy's Fed building.
FPS--- by my actual count; half decent sensible folk; half A-holes.
Frustrated cop wannabees; that get off on their limited ability to jam up John-Q. Especially dangerous are the fems; IF they are in the A-hole division.
I Don't think that your # analysis is incorrect BUT Feds can take any Joe stupid and give him a gun and tell him it's all ok to do whatever--- he'll follow the paycheck (or food and shelter) and get the job done. Whatever He/She is told to do, they will follow thru--all ignorant and unthinking; blissfully warm and fuzzy that THEY are the "good guys"......
The supply of assholes is unlimited; could load them up and walk thru your AO like the locusts of old.


By the way ---read a serious work that said the american swarming locust; which was thought was all gone----- t'ain't.
Add that to your food calculations Lord Bison; coming out of mountains north of you.... even your goats won't find any brush---

Two things: If you are going to be a herder: how are you/ when are you going to develop the herd?
Dis city boy had two Goat--Boxcar Bertha and Six pack Annie; Damn dog brought Bert to the ground--- infection; three poodle Vet establishments wouldn't travel a 1/4 mile to treat; did tractor supply penicilin; Day three-- I THINK had allergic reaction; epinephine not available brcause of the crack heads.
Bert turned deadish; 38$ disposal fee at the landfill... I know that you don't need it [your luminous Locks are a tell tale of your raging testosterone level] but i got some goat horn you could powder up and sell to the "HOT Chinese market" [Antiques roadshow, multiple dates] quote.
15 baby chickens in Oct are now 11 in Jan... shite doth happen.....My learning curve has been tough on the critters;but the survivors are all fat and sassy-- ANNIE is lonely tho'....

DO NOT GIVE HUMINUNGOUS MY ADDRESS---she is too vunerable to displays of affection at this time.

#2 I write, puter sends, doesn't get posted....Did I fail the citiizenship test of Bisonia in some fashion? or did the feds capture the courier?
C57

Mike Stollenwerk said...

What "handful" of open carry states are you talking about? Most US states allow unlicensed open carry at age 18. Learn more at OpenCarry.org

Anonymous said...

Suburban Survivalist - understand that Federal judges swear an oath to uphold the Constitution and then don't. This is, I believe, treason. Hence Jim referring to them as scumbags. They put people in prison for crimes that aren't. At best, crimes that are not Federal purview.

Anonymous said...

James is right about the Judges and Politicians _in general_ being *somewhere* on the spectrum of tyrrany.(of course)

I wont ever applaud their deaths but neither will I cry as such is the risk that comes with their roles (it is NOT terrorism to shoot at soldiers on patrol after all - its just war). I will cry for the others harmed by the apparent collateral damage.

When it comes to having a CCW permit, and being on lists, it is really a moot point. Just reading (or worse being the handsom devil writing)this blog could get you on a list.

Get your CCW, buy your CCW gun with credit card from a FFL dealer jumping through all the hoops. You will have it at your side until/unless confiscation begins, to deal with all the muggers killers and rapist that will begin covering even the safest streets.

Then(or previously to getting the CCW) buy with cash from a private seller your back up carry gun(s) to stash away in a well hidden location just in case of door to door confiscation.

Should we be ordered to turn in your guns - Reluctantly do so- the one bought on credit card and CCW.

Sure you'll be on the 'watch afterward' list but there will be plenty of people on the 'get now' list. Once the collapse accelerates enough that the lists are no longer important you have your back up (hopefully similar to the ccw one) and wont be in prison.

Anonymous said...

You guys are nuckin futs!