Tuesday, January 25, 2011

generator failure

GENERATOR FAILURE


Today’s story, as were so many before, chronicles the life and times of Bison and more specifically the dismal failures resulting from poor decision making and perpetual dumb-assness. In short, your favorite kind of tale. But before we get to that, a short detour. I just got done reading the first half of the book “Eaarth” by Bill McKibben. Normally I don’t take environmental books all that seriously. It is a change of pace from Peak Oil, but it rarely inspires night sweats in me. It is too much of the usual “Gore is our hero, immediately give all your money to Democrats and live like a third world peasant or we are all doomed as the polar bears swim helplessly in search of an ice berg”. In short, while it might contain mostly truths, it is also a tool for dictators to steal most of our remaining wealth while those in power live like kings. Al’s office alone is several times the size of my entire dwelling, his fax machine and computer using more watts than I get for all my tin box power uses. He is a fraud and a whore. Of course, so is my ex-wife.

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The second half of the book has been threatened by the author to be a “change human nature now and you can minimize the pain” type of self-help BS, and I am in little hurry to finish it. But the first half of the book is some scary crap indeed. This is the only Gore Warming book that has ever put the fear of god into me. Peak Oil is easy to fear, easy to prove and an obvious rearview mirror exercise, with little self serving BS. Gore Warming is so larded with creepy players intent on feathering their own nest at the expense of soiling ours that it is easy to ignore. But this book, while written by an activist no less intent on pushing an eco-dictatorship, and no having no less of a tree hugging religious fervor, was also written in a largely unique style that makes it much more effective and believable. Don’t get me wrong, this could be just another screed trying to enslave us for the benefit of the elite. But even acknowledging that, you have to be impressed at how it was presented. Rather than give you nothing but blind panic lacking rationalism, rather than present a science fiction joy ride by guessing what will happen based on extrapolating from dubious data, this book only looks back rather than forward. Instead of saying, the seas will rise ten feet and kill us all unless everyone but Al Gore stop driving SUV’s and flying to conferences, and if you don’t believe us after we present you with consensus rather than hard science you are a scum sucking Republican and must die, rather than hysteria over what MIGHT be, this book just looks at what already happened. And it is some pretty scary stuff. It could all be brilliant propaganda, but it is kind of hard to argue with the compiled facts. No, it is not worth your $15 unless you have no better use for it. But if you are going to buy an environmental book regardless, this just might be the one you should get. At least the lens is focused on what has already occurred rather than what might be.

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Okay, the generator experiment is over and there is nothing good to report. In short, I was worried about over charging the batteries and was looking for a way to keep the generator from doing that. To calculate the watt/amp ratings, you take your amps and multiply that by 14 ( a 12v charges at 14v or slightly under ). Hence, a 7 amp charge controller will handle up to 100 watts ( 7x 14 is 98 ). If you have more solar panels than 100 watts you need a charge controller larger than 7 amps. Also, you know that 10 amps will give you 130 watts in an hour, give or take, and hence 10 amps from the generator gave me 65 watts in a half hour of run time. The solar panels gave about the same in an hour. If I had a day without sun and I ran the generator for one half hour I would generate what I had used. So you would think I didn’t really need to worry about overcharging. But I like to worry about things and it still bothered me that I might be damaging the batteries ( which cost as much as the generator for two marine batteries ).

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I received my 20 amp charge controller in the mail late last week and hooked it up to the generator by splicing it into the controller. A mistake. The generator didn’t like that, tripping the 12v off. And it won’t reset. I have no idea why it did this. Different size wire? 10 amps are too much for the current to be diverted? Different wave current than solar panels? I don’t know where I screwed up, not being an electrical engineer and knowing just enough to be dangerous. But the $47 charge controller wasn’t the answer to keeping the batteries from being overcharged by the generator. Kids, don’t try this at home. I think I would have been much better off by not making this an issue, just making sure I didn’t leave the batteries charging for hours on end. Hey, what can I tell you? I over-analyze things to an unhealthy degree. In instances such as this it proves expensive. But it also gives you wisdom for the ages as I pick apart the unsound advice of “experts” in all fields. Just by carrying things to a logical conclusion unhampered by fuzzy thinking and flawed reasoning. You are welcome.

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I knew the generator was an extravagance. A luxury. Really the only benefit to it was the ease of giving you extra articles for the weekend. I’m still going to do my best to provide that extra free service. If I can. Stay tuned as I figure it out. Until I decide whether to sink more money into the black hole or not. I have no idea what a two stroke mechanic will charge. Boy, this new year is sure starting out badly.

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23 comments:

Anonymous said...

++++++++++++++++

As a survivalist youre a failure

You can not hook up a couple of wires right.

You can hardly make a living.

Wife # 2 was right.

I remember when you didnt know the difference beetwen THEN AND THAN.

It is iceberg not ICE BERG.

Dont liable your self by calling names to people that are trying to do good.

I bet you wont publish this comment.

Keep demanding your $20.00 dollars, I'll senthem when you get an attitude adjustment. (wich you need pretty badly)

Solsys said...

"But it also gives you wisdom for the ages as I pick apart the unsound advice of “experts” in all fields."

This is basically what survivalists must learn to do.

In a post-SHTF environment, like living in Lousiana shortly after Katrina, no expert will be around, and most people have no useable skills or knowledge whatsoever. You will also have no choice in whatever devices you'll have to patch together. It means you'll have to try it out.

Trying things out is a skill in itself, it also has to be learnt. Theoritical knowledge (and reading blogs) cannot be a subsitute here.

Finally, since most parts of this learning curve really suck immensely (like losing lots of money), you have to live in Jame's conditions to have the actual incentive to try stuff out.

Anonymous said...

Gorebal warming and peak oil are the same thing. Those proclaiming gorebal warming are just doing it to try to enact measures that limit energy usage. They saw peak oil coming and tried to think up a plan that wouldn't scare the masses like saying we're out of energy. The result? Rather than limit energy usage, approach it from the other side and say the product of energy usage is destroying the environment so we must limit energy usage.

The problem with looking back into history on environmental issues is that that is no prediction of the future. Natures cycles and processes change. The rate of flow of a given river today is different than what it was 1,000 years ago so the sediment deposit rate is different. Etc.

The generator idea is a good one for producing more articles but it shows how unreliable complexity is.

Anonymous said...

I'd not buy any generator but a US mil-surplus or a Honda. The problem could simply be that your gen's a cheapie and was going to fail anyway.

"Eaarth" eh? The library may have it. I read somewhere that most "save the world" plans fail because they require everyone ELSE to change their nature, whereas the few that work, the "save YOUR world" plans, require only YOU to change, and the most successful of those require you to simply develop new, but do-able habits not change YOUR nature.

Adventures in Self Reliance said...

Maybe I'm being simple? but why not just buy a battery charger? If you need to run the generator plug the charger into the generator.

James m Dakin said...

734- I had to publish it to amuse everyone. Thanks!
AISR- I have a battery charger, it is 900mamp ( do I have that right? 9/10 of one amp ). To duplicate one hour of the sun on the panals I would have to run the gennie for five hours on the AC batt charger. It would be 1/2 hour on the DC charger which isn't working now. The gennie would not last long at all doing that, even if I wanted to burn 1/3 gallon of gas to get the same energy an hour of sun gives me ( when the bitch comes out ).

Anonymous said...

Hey, Anonymous ---

Give the guy a break about the spelling mistakes and such. You're not quite as smart as you think. After all, it's YOU who doesn't know the difference between LIABLE and LIBEL.

LMAO!

(signed: Ozarks_1)

Adventures in Self Reliance said...

The problem as I understand it is getting 120 volts down to 12 volts but with sufficient amps to charge the battery fairly quickly.
What about an desktop computer power supply? Most of those step down the voltage and have plenty of wiring easily marked positive and negative and steps down 120 volts to 12 volts. Even new PC power supplies can be had pretty cheap.

Anonymous said...

Get a Honda E1000, runs about 8 hrs. on .6 of a gallon. It ain't cheap but will last forever with almost no maintenance.

Buy a 10 amp charger that is self regulating. They can be had for a very low price.

Keep up the good work my friend...

Anonymous said...

Trial and error learning can be expensive, but the lessons learned tend to be burned deep into one's psyche.

To Anonymous at 7:34 am:
"Last one in the stew pot wins." Jim's not a failure yet.

Anonymous said...

Try configuring an alternator system up to the batteries. Their should be a few laying around after SHTF.

Bob

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:34, when I was in graduate school earning my first P'hd I had a very old and wise professor say. "It is always the feeable and weak minded that attack the form rather then the content of a publication". I doubt you will understand that but if you look at your wife and ask her, "sister dear what does this mean", I am certain she can help.
Oh, never mind marrying sisters never was funny, and in your case its just sad.

Anonymous said...

Good luck fixing the generator. What's the deal anyway? I didn't understand. The engine doesn't run anymore or it starts up but the electronics on it are messed up?

Hooking the solar charge controller up to the 12v on the generator sounds like it would work, not sure why it didn't.

Could try taking the generator back to the big box store you got it from and play stupid about why it doesn't work. They might let you exchange it for another or offer you something else, worse case you leave empty handed.

As someone else mentioned you could run a computer power supply from it then use that 12v line to the charge controller - seems like a lot of conversions back and forth and inefficient but possible.

You could use a small car battery charger to maintain your batteries plugging it into the generator. I have a 2amp model I got for $20 I use for the motorcycle and lawn mower during the off season. I've seen larger ones. Not very efficient but should be easy to hook up. Generator -> Car charger -> battery. They shut off when charged, most even have a little needle showing charge.

Anonymous said...

Google on: the 12 volt side of life

Anonymous said...

Just get a 10 amp charger to plug into the generator. It will show the batteries charge percentage (roughly). A charger of less than 1 amp is just a waste of gas in the generator.

Anonymous said...

I was going to write you a nice comment. Then I saw the word being used for verification.
w-o-r-o-n
are you kidding me, now the stupid comment thingie is calling me a woron?
Never mind, don't answer, here I am talking to the word verification word.
Eeeekkk! Been reading Bison too long
Annie Mouse

Anonymous said...

jim go to harbor frieght and order their 55/10/2 charger. use the 55 amp start charge for 5 to 10 minates that will give70 to a 100 watts then set it to 10 amp for 30 minates and get another 65 watts.with this charger u could get a 100 to 150 watts in a half hour run.plus you can charge your laptop and most all your other itemsas well.the 55 amp charge shuts off after a few minates to prevent overheatingthats why you have to lower it to 10 amp and it is solid state to prevent overchargig a battery.cost is 29.99 right now ive had one for 3 years works good gary in bama

Anonymous said...

o almost forgot read the instructions i bet the generator has a 10 or 15 amp fuse on the 12 volt side that can be replaced a safty to prevent damage to the generator.ill wager you BLEW IT most likley a blade car fuse check it out gary

Adventures in Self Reliance said...

This something I'm interested in. If you are willing to be the lab rat, Bison. I'm not sure it's possible of stepping down 120 volts generator to 12 volts battery system. I think it's dooable, and is it practical? Is the question.
I'm prepping on the cheap as well Bison and I'm doing well on the cheap. Pay no attention to the idiots behind the screen. He's not living your life.

Anonymous said...

Take heart, Jim! A small check (gen repair, trench digging, spoiling #4?) and a care package will be sent tomorrow. As far as Im concerned, we're all floundering around, trying to prepare for the collapse. I find it refreshing that you can admit to setbacks. I like and deeply admire Germans...but they "sh*t me to tears" (Australian slang :strongly annoy) because they can NEVER admit to ANY weaknesses.

Keep up the good work!

Thank you, Ozark_1! I thought I was the only one who annoyed at spelling criticism...from one who doesn't know the difference between "liable" and "libel"!

James m Dakin said...

Thank you all very much for all the input. I had avoided the AC batt chargers of consequence ( 10 amp + ) only because of the cost ( I could have reused the solar controller with panels so that cost was acceptable ). Plus I'll have to make sure of their watt use before I decide. I already checked for a fuse- if their is one in back of the plug it is one I've never seen and can't ID as a fuse. I'll take another trip to the parts store and go window shopping.

Anonymous said...

Jim, I generally read you right after the autoposter puts you up and there are rarely any comments yet. Typically I will leave a comment (or not) and then come back the next day to see what the others might have said. I tell you this because I was initially disheartened to read Anon 734's comments as they were moronic (and ironic with his own spelling mistakes - 9 by my count) and uncalled for. Alas, I was too late and others had stepped up to put him in his place. What I don't understand is why someone would waste their time reading you if they thought so little of you.
It occurred to me after reading these comments that you have something most of us do not - a readership pool of info that you can ask for advice - preferably before you screw up. :)

James m Dakin said...

737- but the critical part is, do I take the advice? :)