ANOTHER LOOK AT BARTER
Barter and survivalism usually goes something like this. Stockpile cigarettes, alcohol, mass produced items not possible to duplicate such as needles and matches and
rimfire ammunition
. I’ve written these kinds of articles myself, being pretty shameless when it comes to talking about anything and everything just to fill a page with blather and drivel. As far as that goes it is fine, but we also need to look at the big picture trade wise to even see if this is a great idea. Plus, this idea runs into the same problem as all your other stockpiling plans. Namely, short term solutions. Now, while I must say my solution to this quandary was simply brilliant ( assault and occupation of a dollar store as the rest of the idiots battled over empty
National Guard
armories or Wal-Mart or gun stores ), all that did was extend the time frame rather than solve the problem. We need a better solution. And, since a Minion First Class came up this article idea, I need to put a fresh twist on this just on principle ( okay, it probably isn‘t even a new twist-I‘m reaching here ).
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All the good barter items are consumables. While this makes for a great built in market, it also ensures that no matter how rich you are and how much you stockpile, you will run out quicker than you think. Look at it from the standpoint of feeding people. You struggle and scrimp and save and bucket up a ton of wheat. This can feed you ( please set aside all the objections about wheat-oh, its bland and boring/oh, I simply must have
freeze dried foods
/oh, I’m a spoiled whore Yuppie puke and can’t eat basic foods-we’re just going with a calories example here ) for five years. It can feed you, the wife and two point five children, plus the dog, for a year. As soon as two more families show up you are all starving after three months. All that inventory, and you went from five years to three months. As soon as more than a person or three become your customer, you run out of inventory. A hundred bucks in
tobacco
or booze doesn’t last long at all. You’ll still need thousands of dollars in inventory and it will last about one season. Or worse, you misjudged the market. What are you planning on, becoming the sewing needle king? If one out of ten houses have a partial package ( assume a hundred per dollar store pack ), the market is flooded with needles. Your “investment” of a hundred thousand needles is sitting around as a loss. Sure, for a time, your disposable razors are selling at a huge mark-up, but it won’t take long for a single barber with one
straight razor
to put you out of business.
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And ammunition is the worst possible barter item, ever. Not because you might get shot with your own inventory, although that is possible, but because modern ammunition will never be made again. Period. Each round is the product of mass scale, cheap petroleum/coal power production. Even if
smokeless powder
can be primitively reproduced, it won’t have the quality control and/or it won’t be as affordable as you would like. I don’t think we will fall back to bows and arrows ( and, why would you? A
crossbow
, while perhaps less accurate or having less range, is useable by a novice whereas a bow takes years of practice ). At worse, we will regress to
flintlock black powder
. Optimally, we could still see modern powder bolt actions. The powder would be inconsistent to a degree, and we might be forced into using paper cases, and the primers, needing mercury, would be the weak link, but at least we would retain most of the advantages of modern arms ( all except rapid fire ). But until that happens, if it does, you need to keep every stinking round of modern ammunition you have for yourself.
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Another great alternative others have come up with is learning the skill that makes the modern equivalent of what you want. A blacksmith, cobbler, greenhouse
tobacco grower
, etc. All well and good. No problems there. Except. As our favorite “all is well, do not panic, you have two hundred years to the end” slow collapse Druid Dude points out in his new book “
The Wealth Of Nature
” ( he covered the same thing on his blog, but by mentioning his book perhaps I can get a few suckers to buy it and give me a commission ), the collapse of Rome destroyed centralized production and long distance trade. Everything contracted. The village or town became the new universe which few ever left. You might think that this is great, barter is all that is needed. But, with such a reduced customer base and so little surplus food or energy, if any, your new profession might not be supported, regardless of demand. He also covered how the guilds, despite modern propaganda, actually helped customers and craftsmen by overseeing quality and fair pricing. No room for penny pinching Yuppie scum who make their profit off selling junk made by foreigners. But the point is, despite best planning and preparation, worse case your great service/product is unaffordable.
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I think the most likely outcome, given any kind of severity in the collapse ( remember, the cop out answer is “like Rome”, long but slow and a transformation to cope. I think the real answer is “like the Mayans”, who knows how fast but the end result is 99%+ die-off and no recovery, ever ), will be only primitive barter, at best. No luxuries, just eggs for corn kind of basics. Most likely, we mostly make all we need ourselves and a few things we barter services for, in our spare time. For instance, we grow all our own food, as does the part time blacksmith, so we trade some
knife sheaths
for a knife. I think that today’s mass produced items should be stored in bulk just for our own use. Forget trying to be a trader or merchant. Barter will be from our part time “hobby” activities, not from our stockpiled items and not from our regular day job, which is just trying to feed ourselves. Things are going to contract past the point that any of today’s economic activities will be replicated. Trade and merchants are a product of economic surplus, not of a basic survival only atmosphere. Surplus after the collapse will be far after our lifetimes.
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11 comments:
I agree that most 'mass produced' stuff ain't worth stockpiling with future barter in mind. One big exception though is the Bic disposable butane lighter.
How great is the Bic cigarette lighter? I parked an old junk pick-up truck in my pasture for 16 years. With scrap metal prices so high, I decide to haul it in for cash. In the glove compartment was an old Bic lighter left there for at least 16 years, through temperature extremes ranging from oven-like to 30 below. You guessed it. It worked like new and fired up many more packs of smokes.
The Bic lighter, ladies and gentlemen. Available in a 5 pack at a Walmart check-out lane near you!
When it comes to liquor, I definitely think selling in very small quantities (like shot glass) would extend your supplies by a lot. You would gain customers if you wait until everyone else has finished off their supply, THEN make it known to a few trusted inviduals that the bar is still open.
Barter as only a hobby - well, I can see that happening. But the first few months, I think business will be brisk while people try to readjust to Post Dark Age mentality, i.e. no electricity (Wah!) and no gasoline / oil (Double Wah!).
Then we all know the party is over for sure.
I think what you are trying to get at here; O' He of the Superior Folical; is that the usage of barter will be to suplement not replace doing for ourselves all the essentials- In other words, you will provide you own food water and defense. You will barter for the little extras like unbroken pottery, needles and thread, clothes with out too many holes etc.
And to some extent I agree. I also think that barter will allow for a more balanced and diverse diet- but that one should never count on that.
I feel that a person should be bartering right now with the very people they are likely to be bartering with down the road, your neighbors and your local LEO's/Cartels/Etc.
Think about it.
If you grow a bumper crop of squash give it away at/to the local sheriffs office rather than let it rot, if you have some extra 9mm ammo trade it for some herbal seeds with the local cartel rep. If you have more goats milk than you can use give it to farmer brown to feed his pigs and get a discount on your pork, etc, etc.
Even if you are stuck in a city you can start (more cautionsly perhaps) this very thing- you might want to make certain however that you dont *give things away* too much, instead asking for something of even trivial value in return such as having your neighbors trim the grass along the sidewalk in front of your place when he does his - or in the case of LEO's making it clear it is in appreciation for their doing their duty so well for you- (after all you arent murdered in your bed yet).
Be subtle but start making these networks now.
Also let people know the SKILLS you have -but not the preps- (they can steal your wheat corn and gold, but they can never steal your ability to patch up a boot.) Be willing to share these skills AT A COST, cheap but not nothing, you want them to think warm fuzzies about you not that you are a patsy/slave.
(just ask the nearest IT guy you know if people appreciate the free work they do.)
-Grey
I must strongly disagree on your statement that it takes years to become proficient with a bow.
As the vice pres. of my local archery club I have a lot of experience with taking total novices and within a couple hours making them able to strike a target at 20 yards. So therefore if one has nothing to do except practice, within a few days you will be deadly with a bow. Especially compound bows.
Granted a gun is far superior for the short term. Yet as you state, Ammo is a precious commodity, so learning the art of archery would go a long way toward feeding you and extending the supply of bullets for defensive purposes.
I can hit center mass on a man size target at 100 yds with my compound. One can achieve this level within a matter of months not years.
Now I know that you despise minions whom disagree with you, yet facts are facts. Study it up.
Besides, a bows bullets are reusable....
.22 ammo is still a good thing to stockpile. Say you want to shoot your .22 two or three shots per day, for a year. That's 2 bricks! OK so you want to do that for a decade, that's 22 bricks! But then there's training, people to feed, misses .... say 5 rounds a day. Double that. 44 bricks.
Not 44 boxes of 50 or 100, 44 BRICKS. 22,000 rounds.
This is not for trading, this is just for your own use, 5 little bitty .22 rounds per day, for a decade, better not miss that squirrel etc., get an occasional deer, plink at a Hatfield, etc.
Do the math.
Just don't trade it, it's teh suxxors gittin shot by your own product.
Spud- please beware that I've eaten crow many a time as minions point out mistakes I've made. I hate the lack of logic, facts can easily be rectified. Now, given a line of black powder flintlockers against a line of months long trained archers, which side would you want to be on? Of course, that gets off our line of disagreement, crossbows v. archers. Mercenary company archers, great. Conscripted army, crossbows to put mass on to the field quickly and replace them just as fast. Single weapon for loner, okay, the archer comes out ahead. Stealth and ammo resupply, etc. So, are either of us right? Or is it a matter of which scenario transpires? See, I'm a reasonable guy.
And I thought I was the bomb with 6k rounds of rimfire. Damn.
Ha my math is wrong! 40 bricks - 20,000 rounds to keep you shooting for a decade, actually it comes out to 18k and a bit.
No, I don't have this much .22, I was just working the math. Wow. Even I'm surprised.
It just tells me that ammo will not be around in quantity for very long after the factories stop making it.
The good thing about bows and arrows is, a lot of us grew up messing around with them. I made them myself before finally getting a commercially made archery set at about age 11. And as the one poster says, in months one can become a decent archer.
Don't get me wrong good buddy. The cross bow is good for the untrained. Yet very slow for refire just like black powder is.
My point is the bow is the source for your food.
However currently I've got perhaps like a jillion rounds of ammo fer my guns ha ha. These are for defense.
I own a crossbow, yet I prefer my compounds by far. Much better range.
BY the way,
Which side would I wanna be on ?
The third side, watching the fools shooting at each other !
Actually, probly the bow side as they will get perhaps 5 shots off for one with a black powder set up.
Not to mention the effective range is similar for both weapons. Now I am talking regular bows, not cross bows as they are only short range weapons.
If it hadn't been for the repeater rifle, the Injuns might well have won.
If things really get that bad that I need to trade sewing needles, I'd probably want to keep them for myself because who knows when I can get them again.
Idaho Homesteader
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