Thursday, August 04, 2011

negotiation

NEGOTIATION


Negotiation is what you are forced to do when you can’t shoot someone over a disagreement. Even when they really deserve it. You used to be able to negotiate with your work, but back then there were Unions to back you up. Not that I’m saying Unions didn’t price themselves out of the market, but the way the pendulum has swung all the way back 150 years where you have no rights but to quit, and where the safety record is about as bad now as it was then, that is just as bad as Union greed and stupidity. The only difference between now and when the Robber Baron’s were leaving Chinese laborers in shallow graves next to railroad tracks was that back then the government had an official policy of ignoring it and now they have an official policy of paying multiple billions a year to run multiple agencies that price small companies out of the market through inefficient regulatory hurdles to protect the big boy monopolies and by giving carte blanch to those big player to slay with impunity with their blessing. So, nothing has changed except to protect the corporations that pay the most by actively bankrupting the competition. So, the government is not only corporations bitches, they willingly go along in the practice. Sad and pathetic.

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Speaking of sad and pathetic, how is your marriage? I’ve got another idea about how to work around your spouse not cooperating with prepping, but it is dangerous. I can’t be held responsible for any blowback this might cause, so proceed at your own risk. Put yourself into a position to re-negotiate your spousal contract. Of course, just because this worked for me doesn’t mean it will work for you, but at least it is an idea. And, I did kind of fall into this benefit ass backwards despite myself. So I’m not taking credit for it, I’m just reporting it. I really thought wife #4 was gone for good. She said many nasty things the last time she had left, whereas before we parted amicably. After she left, as the truck was shrieking in mechanical agony even after a professional toyed with it, I felt safe getting rid of the truck. I didn’t need to transport the wife into town, so why not just go 100% bicycle, right? Only later did I think it would be a repellant against her coming back ( it was a benefit, not a reason ). However, this did not deter her from proclaiming her undying love and express a desire to return. A short word on this relationship. As I’ve said before, we hate each other. But we hate everyone else much more. We have strong feeling for one another, but also have quite realistic outlooks. I know she just needed a place to live, she knew I was just trying to get into her shorts. But we still have a weird relationship nonetheless.

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There weren’t devious attempts at circumventing each others wishes, it was just that while restarting the relationship, the new reality had to be accepted. I’d retired the truck. Are you sure you still want to come back, being stuck at home? Yes. Okay, I’m $100 richer a month now, she’s more inconvenienced, and yet in the end we both win when we go underground and stay toasty warm in winter ( compared to freezing our asses off most of the time ), in part from the money saved. Could you swing something like this? If your relationship is in trouble anyway, partially due to the resources for preps issue ( because, at least in our estimation, things are getting life threatening ), would it be worth doing the break-up, changing your lifestyle, reconciliation thing? If you leave the bitch, jingle mail the home, move out to junk land and stockpile wheat, if she still wants to get back together it will have to be out there in the boonies with you. Yes, a female might have it easier, only needing to wave her scent around the ex-husband’s nose, but there is always risk. There is a change, remote though it may be, that he finds a randy survivalist gal. Then you are no good to him anymore. With a guy, your only advantage to entice the wife back is that you are a known factor. The evil she knows, as it were. You don’t have much to offer other than money, and just as there will always be a fem out there prettier and pretending to be willing in bed, so there will always be a guy out there making more money than you.

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Really, this has little chance of working unless your relationship is relatively sound. You need a foundation to fall back on, hard to do when each of you is just using the other. The issue is money, or lack thereof. If the issue is you can’t stand the sight of one another it will just fail again ( I’m not sure where I stand on that issue, I just pretend she wants to be with me, after all is said and done ). What I am proposing ends up being the excuse each of you needed to get the contentious transition done. She can shrug, and say she had no choice if she wanted to be with the man she loved ( if you are in the dog house, the excuse for getting back together is you are “the father of our children” ). He can say she forced him into taking drastic action to take the steps needed to buy real insurance for the family. Obviously, there are complications. If you legally separate, instead of this just being a trial separation, the guy can get screwed financially. This might be future fuel for arguments. Etc. Hey, nothing is perfect. It’s just food for thought. Most of us need a relationship. And all of us need to prepare for the Right Around The Corner Crap Storm. Drastic times call for drastic measures.

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17 comments:

Anonymous said...

I just keep buying preps as "camping supplies" and food as an "inflation hedge/desire to eat natural food". We go camping not more than 3-4 times per year, and do not need most of the stuff I buy to have a good camping trip. The purchases frustrate my wife as wasted money. However, after month-after-month of this for several years (I still get the bills paid), she has said she just needs to accept the fact that I will waste money in such ways. No confrontation on my part, just persistently buying the things I want to stock up on in as low key a manner as possible, no counterarguments when she complained I was wasting money, just acknowledge it is just something I wanted to get. Now... actually moving permanently to those few acres of land in the country... that will be a hard sell until things get really crappy in town. But the stage is set and most all the supplies are in place. If we get fired from our jobs we have options. If the world starts falling apart, we have options.

Anonymous said...

I hope this works for you and #4 this time, Jim. When living wages stopped being the 'going rate' for blue-collar workers, a lot of dysfunction entered Man/Woman relationships. I admire your perseverance. Half of 'the collapse' has already happened for people like you, and you have survived it.

Dead weight, government check cashing, critical Baby Boomers, like Mohave Rat will have to excuse our generation's sometimes coarse and vulgar female interaction narratives. We're just living, and trying to survive, in the society they created. They're full of criticism for others, but demand only sympathy for themselves ("waa waa, I just came from a funeral").

I hope you have a renewed spirit and can have an extended run again with #4. Godspeed, peace, etc my friend.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you should start a "Dear Abby" style blog seeing has how you're so full of relationship advice lately.

Anonymous said...

Get her a CC Radio so she can listen to talk shows etc while she putters along digging the hole while you're at work. Tell her she doesn't have to dig fast or anything, even an hour a day of slow digging will help a lot.

Get her an Electra Cruiser which is a very comfortable bike able to handle off roading well, carry baskets, etc., now you two can 'drive' around, into town etc., and you have one more bike's worth carrying capacity, put the lighter stuff in her baskets.

I think what she has an undying love for, is *not* being homeless. So it's a simple exchange: She gets to park her body at your place, you get to park your dick in her body hopefully fairly often.

EMJ said...

oh you will be buying another auto shortly. #4 will not put up with solitary confinement for long. I don't picture #4 as the bike riding type but maybe she would ride in a pimped out bike trailer?

Anonymous said...

You are asking in the 2nd paragraph how is my marriage. ?
well, not as good as yours.
at the co's picnick ( 4 yrs. ago) my supervisor meet my wife everything went well but my supervisor's wife came knocking in my door after a few months and showed me pic's of my wife and my supervisor making love, she secretly took thanks to an investigator she paid.
Befor I confronted my now ex I took advise from a fellow worker that went into a divorce and told me the facts of divorce.
to shorten the story.
I purchase a travel trailer and refubhish it. Pack everything into it. Got me a used truck on my brothers name. Got my monies from my 401 and savings. got me a different job before I told the owners of the company what was going on. AND FILE FOR DIVORCE.
My supervisor's wife was doing something similar but more fashionable and divorce this man about the same time I divorce my wife. (BTW. He got fired).
Do you think you are in a shit hole???? Maybe you should reconsider.
Another BTW. My ex married the bastard and I know she still having extra marital affairs. just like I did with his ex wife.

Spud said...

Been married for over 30 yrs. and my wife is my best friend. She believes in me, therefore is on board for prepping. Seeing how I've been doing it longer than even Rawles.

Get over it Jim, it ain't nuthin besides a smelly patch of skin...

bigunsfan said...

I hope you don't get abused anally by No.4 Be careful Dude.

Don't be surprised if you come home from work one day and No.4 is gone, cash gone, silver gone,etc.

mohave rat said...

My goodness, don't hold back anon 7:58am

first of all, I didn't create the society you live in, you ignorant shit stain. It was fucked before I got here.

Second you are just rude and crude in your remarks about women. "Your just trying to survive" what crap. Sounds like a excuse for your white trash behavior. Why do you find it necessary to be course and vulgar with your females. Trying to compensate for your little pecker? Hard to be a BIG MAN when you bring home that Burger King Paycheck.

I blurted out my son's death in a moment of weakness I regret. I knew it would only be a matter of till some mean spirited little son of a bitch tried to use it to hurt me. Nice try you low life cocksucker.

Got anymore opinions about me or care to blame me for anything else while your at it. I'm respectful of ladies. You on the other hand can lick the salt off my balls. Now what, you going to huff and puff and shake your big electronic fist at me Anon. Fuck Off.

the rat

to the lady readers, my apologies

mohave rat said...

Not finished blowing off steam at anon 7;58am yet!

I notice you end your remarks with godspeed and peace and talking about a renewed spirit. You Fucking Religious you two faced hypocrite mother fucker?

"Having a form of godliness and denying the power" yeah I have read the Bible. Amazing how many smart mouth punks go to church at their local mini mall and don't learn a damn thing.

the rat

Anonymous said...

damn. now i defintely know NOT to PISS OFF THE RAT! Git'm mohave.sometimes you gotta call bs out. you do have style freind.missed your post about your son; my condolences. jd as long as the relationship works for both who fucking else matters? delr

Anonymous said...

To the Mohave Rat:

You have revealed your true spirit and character indeed by your response to anon 7:58. You are both a Rat and a Baby Boomer (but I repeat myself).

Keep reading the Bible though, Mohave Rat, God really does work in mysterious ways. Maybe you are not yet beyond redemption. I will pray for you.

Jim, sorry to hi-jack the comments with a minion feud but this self-righteous piece of shit has been asking for it for some time. He has basically become a troll. Hopefully he has more funerals to go to and can take a break from this comment thread.

Peace to the True Minions of Bisonia.

Anonymous said...

I don't know about this Bison. As a regular female reader all I read of the reunion with #4 is that you were lonely and desperate and she was about to become homeless and desperate, so it really is you two using each other more than getting back together out of love and trying to make things work. Which, I hope it does work out for you, but honestly, she's like a new puppy just sprung from the pound and in shock, and once the shock wears off she's going to want what she always wanted, and you're gonna still be the same old you - can the two of you live with that? Probably not, just because you couldn't before, what's really changed?

Anyway, I don't understand all of the spouses who don't "allow" prepping and why this is an issue. When I started years ago my husband wasn't "on board" and wasn't worried about "events" current or future, but I just kept buying extra food, and I traded a piece of unneeded furniture for a gun, and bought another gun at a yard sale for 50 bucks - small things here and there add up over time, and now we have a nice collection that he never really noticed me buying. But then again, I never made a big deal out of what I bought or why....it was always just in case, or because we live in the country, or to have a little extra...and that smoothed things over enough for him that he didn't think twice about any of it - never mind I have hundreds of pounds of flour and sugar stashed away in the house. And now we have junk land and plan to build, because over time he did get on board...it just took a lot of talking and being patient on my part.

Best of luck to you and #4, and to The Rat, I didn't read for awhile here - I'm so sorry to hear about your son.

tweell said...

Good luck! I don't have much faith in negotiations and agreements. They have to be made in good faith, and too often the other person will agree only to renege later. Marriage is supposed to be a permanent arrangement, and since this is wife #4, you've had plenty of experience to the contrary.

Spud said...

You go Rat !

I agree, about holier than thou religious preaching hypocritical bastards. Jesus did not preach the life that you live assholes...

Anonymous said...

Hey, anon at 7.58 and Mohave - a little tolerance goes a long way.

We are all enjoying Bison's blog and reading the comments.

We do not see Bison personally attacking anyone in particular... I see it as harmless sounding off, to help with the stress of just life and daily living...and as a bonus we readers are entertained as well.

Life may get tougher, and hopefully future brevity on this blog is maintained...

Bison's ups and downs, both with #4 and his underground lair, the rat's grief, anon's best wishes for Bison's relationship - we readers can all relate.

So, hope you both do not turn on me.

Less flames, and more laughs - as most of the comments are excellent...just my 2cents.

Cheers. Old Timer from DownUnder.

mohave rat said...

I got attacked by name. I didn't hijack the blog for other purposes.
I merely defended myself. Why do I have to sit quietly while the pious snot stains of this world want to mouth off.

anon 9:20pm Am I a self righteous piece of shit who needs more funerals to go to or A lost soul who needs your prayers. Keep your prayers and stuff them up your smug ass.

I don't ever want to go to another funeral, not even yours Anon.

Sorry Bison, I will not speak of this again.

the rat