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Okay, I get into work this morning, a hap, hap, happy Monday if ever there was one, and my e-mail box is simply overflowing. I think that my minions, those that have actually been paying attention instead of just reading my drivel as the rantings of a Unibomber so they can do the exact opposite of what I advocate, which justifies stockpiling Mattel Toy carbines and building a Bat Cave retreat, were so worried I would next blow another gasket but this time about lacking subject matter, they sent a bunch of article suggestions. I would have said they were so worried about my mental state and the threat of my discontinuation of splattering my drivel their way, but that might have been pushing it. They just don’t want to hear me complaining. So, I wish to thank all those that helpfully responded to my feedback request, and now to all those that took the time to throw in article suggestions. You truly are wonderful minions, but since I don’t want that to go to your heads and swell your egos, we shall never speak of it again but instead pretend it was never brought up at all.
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There were so many e-mails I didn’t have time to read any news updates or any other blogs, so I have no idea what is going on out there. Today’s article will be based on a minion comment rather than me making fun of another published prepper piece. Which should be a nice change of pace for you. But before we go there, an update on the immanent financial crash. The child support being terminated nine months early, hence the crash might be any time-remember? Well, today I got a check in the mail ( I check the mail in the morning from the previous day ) from Florida for the refund for the last twenty five days, the time between his birthday and when the last amount was withheld from my paycheck. This doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t change their mind and not restart withholding, but it is an indicator that perhaps they won’t. I’ll still save anything, awaiting a resumption of my two decade long screw job and a call for immediate repayment, but I’ve allowed myself to let a small ray of hope in. Unfortunately for the rest of you, that MIGHT mean the collapse happens before next summer. Sorry to take down the rest of you with me, but if I can keep the ex from getting another $4k by wishing for the collapse I’ll do it.
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A minion said, in effect, quote me at your own risk because I’ll deny everything, an AR-15 is nice and all, but he could get a regular rifle and a pistol for the same amount. This prompted me to once again blather on about a rifle and pistol combo. Now, I have no problem with anyone using a hunting rifle and a pistol as their frugal arsenal. I think it is just as safe and effective as you need. The thing about the war surplus bolt guns is that, when they and their ammo were cheap, they made a great arsenal in and of themselves. You took the bayonet and the hardwood stock as your in close weapons. You could get by with just the one gun. And since their ammo was cheap, it didn’t matter as much that they weren’t all that accurate. Don’t get me wrong, I’m still happy and secure with my scoped Enfields. But I got them when they were affordable. Nowadays, you need to seek a rifle that is more accurate than a surplus gun, if possible, because of the ammo cost. Ammo costs have doubled, so you can only stockpile half as much, if that, given the state of your paycheck. You need to make each round count. Any rifle, even a rimfire, is sufficient. Because if you have a handgun, it doesn’t matter that the rifle is single shot or only good for bushwacking. Your handgun functions as your high firepower in case of an emergency. Rather than carry a semi-auto carbine with twenty round mags, just in case you are ambushed by a squad of zombies or a pack of dogs, have the pistol for this role. The rifle is the long range precision tool and the pistol is the “get out of an ambush” tool. Yes, the pistol is extra weight, and you know I hate extra weight. Anything past the bare minimum is stupid as it slows you down, weighs you down, makes you a target. But if you are so worried about close in fighting that you want a black plastic turd for a weapon, instead think about a bolt or single shot rifle and a pistol.
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I think the best long term combo ( for total collapse, wearing rat skins and carrying clubs made from rebar long term type collapse ) is still a rimfire single shot and a 357 revolver. You can both stockpile and carry a lot of rounds and with a scope ( you can stockpile a lot at $30each ) and practice you can get to 200 yards ( the power it dumps at that range is another matter ) if needed. Meanwhile, the revolver has enough rounds and a good enough caliber to somewhat protect against wild animal and zombie close in fighting. For immediately after the fighting starts, a hunting rifle in a conventional round such as 308 is great. Now you can easily snipe at five or six hundred yards and really stay away for evil asshats. I’d still have the revolver. They can’t be beat except on the reloading aspect of things. A novice is comfortable with one. You can leave them loaded forever, and they don’t jam as easy with crappy handloads. And they aren’t overly expensive. You might even try not to waste rounds firing it, since you only get six shots.
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Now, I know this is more expensive than my regular advice has been. It doesn’t fit into the $500 frugal budget. The only problem with that is you are now reduced to no choice, having to use the Russian bolt if you want frugal. If that is all you can afford, get it yesterday. It is FAR better than nothing. I’d even venture to say that I’d rather take my life into my hands by using a potential ammo case rupturing into my face than carry the AR and risking it jamming on me during a fight ( assuming I didn’t use one just for sniping, so the fouling was greatly reduced ). If you are only carrying the AR you will run into trouble because it will jam. Just remember, there are no 100% perfect arsenal answers. There are solutions to different problems, such as being poor, but no perfect answers for under the several grand price tag. This is merely one solution. The point is, you don’t absolutely need a semi auto carbine/rifle.
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Thursday, September 29, 2011
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Yes Jim. It was me. The guy that you keep asking for $ 20.00, and you keep forgetting about my refund. the same mormon guy that know about the other address.
Not only can buy a rifle and a handgun but I can buy the ammo too.
I got me 2 sks's for $90.00 each back in 1994 russian made. A case of ammo was going for $ 80.00. An d rimfire ammo was also very cheap.
How is africa these days. Have you move out of your HUT ?
well, say hello to wife # 2. for now.
Send her a thank you card for services rendered.
May Angel Moroni give the fleas of a thousend camel in your pubic hair. remember that one.
"I think the best long term combo ( for total collapse, wearing rat skins and carrying clubs made from rebar long term type collapse ) is still a rimfire single shot and a 357 revolver."
I think the .44 magnum's a better choice Jim? You can still shoot low velocity .44 specials, and switch to magnums should the need for more velocity arise? A .44 magnum will take down man sized targets or large game at 100 yards providing an adequate barrel length of 7.5" or so.
You can currently purchase a Lee Loader for .44 special or magnum for $26.67 at cheaper than dirt. This will give you the ability to produce handloads at a very low introductory price.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/40615-1.html
Though it sounds as if the special loader is a limited edition? No worries, you can still download your magnums to target load velocities. This is what I did when I had my Ruger redhawk.
Wayne
The shine of your hair is the envy of all who see you.
Thank you for giving your loyal minions a head's up regarding your ?!?!?!REFUND?!?!?! from the gov't.
This truly is the end of the world. If you don't have it confiscated quickly by some bureaucrat, I'll make another Costco run, raise the draw bridge and stew all people who stumble into my "American Redoubt".
Regarding guns, I think the best advice I read lately is to stock pile .22 rifles to use as suppression fire and use your larger rifles for sniping. The .22 ammo is cheap and no one in their right mind will charge it any way so why waste the expensive stuff.
So if you have a group or family that you're trying to arm, let's say 1 "good" rifle for every 3 .22 rifles.
Idaho Homesteader
Rimfire yes, but not a .22. The .17 will give 3 times the range and also uses dirt cheap ammo.
738-isn't the 357 guns cheaper and widely available. As well as the ammo? Doesn't that give it an edge?
1251- what is the cost comparrison? Both guns and ammo? I might switch over if negligable.
IH- actually a good idea. Spouse and kids can't use the huge calibers, but can kick butt with rimfire.
Is stealth important only to me?
NOTA BENE 17 MHR and 22LR hivel can be heard at great distance.
Aguila SSS 22LR subsonic in 22" barrel is about as load as a fat girl's fart.
17 HMR 20 gr@ 2375 fps 250 ft lb 500 for $131.99
26 cents a shot
http://tinyurl.com/6b3thjz
CCI 22LR Mini-Mag 40gr@1235 135 ft lb 500 for $36.49
7 cents a shot
http://tinyurl.com/6zxdejy
Aguila SSS 22LR 60gr@950 fps 120 ft lb 500 for $47.99
10 cents a shot
http://tinyurl.com/64tg2jr
Gonna hit ya all in the head with a rock.
OR maybe a marble; or .44 or 32 cal round slug from a "wrist rocket".
Just gotta keep the surgical tubing backups outa the air.
The black powder cal's--- what can anybody say? Come in a little close'r.
Other than that-- the "fifty" Hawkins type rifle and a shi=ite load of preset range [ FOF and preloaded] modern crap would give "the savages" some pause time.
BUT......ya'all be foolin urselves; agains't a little wing mounted goodie from 35 miles away.
Com'on Goldilocks:
ya know ya just gotta be the sneaky weasle and NOT get into any conflicts;
'Cept over-- Buxom redheads; on---- the Bonfire; pot driven'and roll in the sand- We be eatin' RIBS;-- [with sauce and hot slaw] nights......
C57
I like yer take on weapons, but I was brought up using a single shot shotgun as my hunting weapon, and you would be surprised how quick you can reload one. As fer the sidearm, I would suggest a 357 mag revolver because of 2 reasons.
1. It has less moving parts.
2. it can shoot most .38 rounds with no jamming. try that with yer semi auto guys.
Great Bison,
22LR at walle mart is $.035 a round. I have rife and handguns for my kids to keep the heads down while my .308 picks the best targets. I think .22 rounds are easy to get every where and good for trade. Just plane fun to shoot until TSHTF.
.44 I love but its very heavy and slow to get on target but its like a short rife. 357, good all around. 9mm goes in back pocket.
You got a refund..... The end is upon us. Next pay check is for beans and bullets. The bills be dammed.
Vlad, keep talking - some of us ARE listening.
IH, .22's for suppressive fire is a damn good idea and will allow the use of the cheaper ammo once we don't need Vlad's stealth.
"738-isn't the 357 guns cheaper and widely available"
I'll concede on that point Jim. The .357 is about 20 years older than the .44 magnum, so there are probably a lot of older guns out there to be had for a fair price. When I had my .357, I exclusively shot .38 specials through it, which at the time (80's) there was lots of inexpensive surplus ammo available for this caliber, not sure about that these days, but probably not so cheap anymore?
That's why I suggested the Lee Loader to offset the additional cost. With a Lee Loader and a bullet casting mold, rounds can be produced at a very reasonable price.
Here's a sample, this is for a .45 long colt, but the .44 special would be close to this.
Basic low velocity cowboy load at around 800fps (If I recall correctly?) with a 200 grain bullet weight.
7.6 grains of Hodgden HP38 powder.
A 1 pound can of powder, is 7000 grains. With this loading of 7.6 grains, this works out to be around 921 loads per can of powder, not bad! I don't think a can of powder is anymore than about $25.00?
Lee Loader: Around $25.00, but usually only available in the more popular calibers.
Mold: Can be purchased for as little as $20.00
Lead: Many people use lead wheel weights that are usually free for the asking?
Brass: Possibly free if you can scavenge them from a range? But even if you have to buy them, they can be reused many times, especially when firing the low velocity cowboy loads.
With the above recipe, it's possible to produce a good many rounds at a reasonable price. Consider guns that use the same ammunition, both the .357 and the
.44 are chambered in some very nice leverguns and handguns. The above loads would be for everyday use, the magnums for only when that extra range or velocity is needed.
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