None of us has a perfect survival plan
. Rawles
is in a high traffic area come the collapse. Everybody “knows” that Idaho is the place to be to survive. Of course, he also has a remote retreat that he farms so his positives outweigh his negatives. At least on paper. Creekmore has a mild climate and is near family, although the area is on the heavy population side ( east of the Mississippi even remote areas are surrounded by teeming masses of asshats ). I live in an area that no one in their right mind wants to be in to survive, but it will be a rugged existence and I’m far more likely to survive an economic collapse than a civilization collapse
. Even our smaller population here presents a formidable foe. No one, let alone the experts ( media acknowledged or self-proclaimed ), has a perfect plan
. Some of us have better plans than others, true. But no one will be without challenges. This is a big reason why we are here. To talk through everything so that some know where to start and other know what loopholes in their plans they need to plug. Yes, at times my sarcasm and hatred might impress upon you that you are indeed a stupid honky mo-fo without a clue in creation about what you are doing. I won’t dismiss the occasional intention to educate you for your own good, but mostly this is just a discussion group. I really don’t think you are THAT much of a dumbass.*
For every action there is a reaction and for every survival plan there is a downside. You know the heating oil will run out so you build a passive solar earth home
. Then your property taxes go up so high you are threatened with insolvency. You want to prep right so you stay at a good paying job, which is in a city with high crime. You move out to the country to avoid urban crime
and are accidentally raided in a meth lab
bust instead of your neighbor. You want to kill off invading mobs so you buy a lot of semi-auto ammo and can’t afford to buy food so after the collapse you are using that ammo to bag two legged game. Or, you concentrate on food storage and are killed by the first mob of hungry city folk ( unlike previous famines, Americans are so fat now that they will have plenty of energy to take food when they need it ). You move out to the middle of nowhere to help yourself survive and then you can’t afford gasoline. I could go on and on. No plan is a great plan. Some are more feasible and realistic than others. Bugging out
of L.A. is a pretty bad idea ( as is living there ) since there are too many chokepoints and far too many people. Bugging out of a much smaller town using secondary roads might work. The thing to do is to assume how your plans could get foiled and try to work around them. Or realize they are impossible.*
Back to my original Carson City bug out plan. I knew it would be much smarter to go up into the Sierras even if all of California would be starting up the other side. If I had chosen to seriously plan on bugging out to Elko I would have had to put a bit more thought into it than I did. I would not have felt comfortable with a vehicle escape. Too much would have gone wrong since only two roads led up there. So I would have planned for a secondary hike. But obviously the lack of water ( the stretch north of Reno was infamous for killing off the immigrants 150+ years ago ) the first half of the way would have dictated I bring my own. Which would have slowed me down with the need to haul a cart rather than just walk. So my original two week time frame was pretty silly. I didn’t think this all through until just now, after the comments section got me to thinking. I hadn’t thought it through earlier since I was so focused on relocating at present time. Which means my secondary plans for escaping Carson were poor, almost worthless. I had the “into the mountains
” plan and the “down to the river in the Hippie Bread Van” plan. Neither was very feasible. But, hey, I had a plan. If I poke fun of your plan, just remember mine just three years ago sucked. And my plan now? Not too much better. I’m at a great location, in my own estimation if no one else’s, but I’ll be ill prepared to deal with the unrest of the other natives. I almost have no other option than to bribe a tribe with free guns and wheat. But of course that isn’t feasible right now. I might brag on how easy it is to live frugal
, but there are definite limits to what I can do.*
I’m no better than the average prepper, hoping I have a bit more time to do a little something more to improve my chances. What I’ve done is impressive to myself, if nobody else. I’ve come a long way in a short time. And I have so much farther to go. I don’t panic because of the elementary steps I’ve already taken. The “better than nothing” ones. And there is no reason to panic about the things I can’t do much about. When I tell you to panic, I’m telling you to get those basic necessities yesterday. Then, you can relax and improve in increments. You must be prepared for the worse. The tomorrow-we-all-die event
. But once that is done you can go with the leisurely Yuppie plan. You can’t do all of it at once, the near-as-possible perfect plan. But you can cover the basics quickly. Yesterday quickly. The wheat/bolt gun/filter and grinder
plan is affordable to everyone. When that is done you can slowly build up to much better. Don’t get discouraged that your plan sucks. If no plan is perfect, you can’t achieve perfection. Just keep trying to improve. Keep an open mind as to your plans flaws. And don’t relax your pace if all seems well at times. In the end, for all the work and money, you might be one of the first to die through dumb blind luck. Or a flaw in your plan you didn’t see. So just enjoy the journey. Do all you can. You sleep better at night, even if you know the plan will never be completed. The basic supplies are a bedrock peace of mind. I’m paid to worry about all the problems out there and I’m not losing any sleep. Got basics?END
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heat. I’m aware that pellets are only good in areas where you can’t find cheap wood. I’m aware that this unit might be a bit pricey compared to what you might be able to cobble together yourself. I am not trying to get into a debate on the merits or non-merits of pellet stoves in and of themselves. Like anything else they have both good and bad points. What I am doing is making you aware of a resource that you may or may not want to take advantage of. That is up to you to decide. I’ll post your comments if you go against all I said above, but beware I mock you now. I got this company name through the book “
”. Which was about all this book was useful for. Unless you are a total novice just starting out down the looking glass of survivalism, this book was far too elementary a resource. The companies product is sold here:
were good enough to last the entire supply of four hundred pounds of wheat. This is a very good question. You might think that a cast iron grinder would be indestructible, but the Chinese have been known to make some atrociously bad products. It would be easy enough to just blame the greedy American corporate cretins who wanted to add another 
to their portfolio, but perhaps the Chinese really are out to get us all and they plan on eliminating all the surviving Running Capitalist Dogs after the Apocalypse when their grain grinders poisoned them or blew up after three revolutions of the handle. A higher quality grinder is not too much more money, so perhaps we should be a bit more cautious before we buy a crap grinder. Here is a link for the corona brand corn grinder.
without ever having a problem. Buy the better unit first and then use the Chinese copies as back-ups. Or trade goods. Right now you could probably buy those mills for the same cost that shipping alone will be in the not too far future. I’m just saying. Now, there are still valid reasons to just buy the crap mill. As I said, cheap back-ups. But also, if you aren’t storing that much wheat, why spend too much money on a mill? I don’t think there is a thing as too much wheat, but you might feel comfortable with just one or two hundred pounds. Perhaps you feel that the end of the world is impossible, but you also want more than just two weeks of food for a minor natural disaster ( if the 
goes, or Yellowstone, it will be total collapse. But I’m talking about recoverable disasters ). A mere hundred pounds of kernels will only cost sixty bucks, in buckets, and feed two people almost two months well if a few supplemental goods are also available. So why should that small amount call for an expensive grinder?
. It could be just like a Corona. And it is only $25. But there is no information on it to determine much. Proceed at your own risk.
” by Nordhoff and Hall. This is the kind of book I can sink my paranoid, cynical, socially maladjusted teeth into- a tale of man’s inhumanity towards man when survival is at stake. I’ll be ordering it this week. I just got done reading three books this weekend. You probably don’t want to hear about “
”, a tale of CIA mistreatment in the quest for the mind control and the Hippies good times with acid. But perhaps you would like to know about “
” and “
”. I got the time travel book as it was mentioned by 
and I figured, what the heck. The authors were Jerry and Sharon Ahern, who brought you the pulp fiction series “
”. It can’t be any worse than that series, right? Well, I guess I got my monies worth since it was a rather long read. But that’s about all I can say for it. It is pretty obvious who wears the testicles in the Ahern house. I was subjected to same old tired 
crap from the Seventies, how bitches are equal and the only difference is that they can’t pee standing up. Or carry an unconscious man out of a burning building. Or subdue a criminal physically. But let’s not have reality stand in the way of political correctness ( I don’t have a problem with equality, but I do with blindness to differences to the point of danger ). There wasn’t the same tired crap The Survivalist had, describing each gun in nauseating detail ( Studly Yuppie Character pulled out his Super Maximum Semi-Auto pistol custom crafted by Humpin Gun Works in 
from his custom worked leather holster made by Two Illegals Holster Works in El Paso Texas and blazed away at the commie bastard, the hollow point 150 grain bullets sending a red mist into the air ). It was still there but in more subdued form. He did go on and on and on about the paradox of 
which was interesting at first but got really old fast. By the end of the book I was just glad the damn thing was over. Far North was better written, although at times his snobbery was showing. It was a good book, but I would give it failing marks in the post-apocalypse category. 
wipes out half the US population. Chances are good that things will pretty much go down hill after that ( and as much as I would really like to see the entire DC area washed away my kids do live too close to there for me to break out my juju beads and 
and get to work making it happen ). When the sun farts out a super flare and fries the entire electrical system. First, you can’t drive to work and second, no lights will be on anyway. And after a nuke has taken out the nearby downtown area. Exposing yourself to deadly radiation might be a bit above your pay grade. It is also pretty obvious when you should go to work. You can’t call the boss and plead for a personal day just because there are riots in the street of Saudi Arabia and you are positive that the oil supply could be disrupted at any time. He won’t buy it, being one of the RoboSheeple that thinks the oil will never run out and we should all be driving to work in a solar paneled powered Prius. The fear of bad things itself is no excuse. However, you can’t just wait for a blinking warning message on the TV to tell you when it is time to hunker down. You have to make that decision yourself and disguise it from others. You need to know when it is time to call in sick from work.
to buy food for an empty cupboard. Nor do I want to leave the wife alone in the Compound if real trouble is brewing. I don’t mind being a bit dishonest in this manner. I would only do it if I honestly thought rioting could break out in the general population. If an obvious disaster happened, one were all could agree that work suddenly dropped down to the bottom of the list in importance, I wouldn’t even call in. Just stay home. But if it was a situation that might stabilize, it isn’t like you have any other choice. The boss might think your life is worth less than minimum wage, but obviously you might think differently. 
or just a lunatic that easily panics. I don’t know how things are going to turn out in the middle east but right now as February winds down things look scary indeed. It would neither do to panic to the point of harming yourself financially if things calm down, nor would it be prudent to go on about business as usually and ignore a potential problem. If the unrest spreads to Saudi Arabia and their oil production is disrupted I think we can all agree that the teetering 
that is the financial system can come crashing down. Now, it is true that all this revolutionary zeal that suddenly started out of the blue could have been instigated at the behest of The Powers That Be. Not something idiotic like a Super Giant Conspiracy Of The Masons, or some such drivel. But more along the lines of regimes being toppled previously by orchestrated “peoples revolutions” such as in the former Soviet country of Georgia ( a good if overpriced book on the subject is “
” ). It almost has that smell to it. But how would this help American Empire? Do we even have the manpower to occupy the Saudi oil fields? That are seeing decreased production anyway? At least the Iraqi fields sat mostly idle for twenty or thirty years and aren’t tapped out ( the infrastructure to pump is another matter ). But whatever is behind the unrest, it bodes ill if our imports are jeopardized. 
magazine and 
, they don’t. Stay away from stores after a general panic has started. Nothing you want is worth your life. Having said that, if you panic early enough while the masses are still licking up the sweet stinking lies of media propaganda that “
!!”, you should be able to get some needed supplies ( I hope they are just desired supplies rather than absolutely needed supplies, but I suppose you can’t have enough of almost anything ). Remember, prepping isn’t about keeping yourself in the lap of luxury for the rest of your life. It is about hiding out during the 
until you can more easily form a sustainable community after the die-off. Even if you have the most desired skill in the world, during the general die-down the starving masses will eat everyone. Do not expose yourself to that danger. But it also shouldn’t take long. Your supplies are for a short collapse and a few years back-up while non-petroleum agriculture is reestablished ( as well as solar dwellings and traditional defense forces ).
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( while prices are manageable, drive the pick-up to the nearby Harbor Freight ). Perhaps ingots of lead. And by all means go to the feed store and buy wheat if you don’t have enough. Wal-Mart for restaurant size bags of pinto beans, white flour, sugar, tubs of lard. You can’t buy any of this stuff once the general public panics- the stores don’t carry enough inventory on hand. I wouldn’t waste the money on gasoline stocks. You are tying up cash in an explosive, high theft risk item. Food is much more important. Now, you need to know when to quit. Buy now, discreetly. But stop before everyone else panics and definitely stop before you spend money you can’t afford. Don’t spend the rent money. If things stabilize you’ve screwed yourself. It isn’t that you want worthless paper, it’s just that you can’t absolutely guarantee things will totally collapse. Don’t charge up more than you can comfortably pay back on the credit cards and don’t screw yourself financially. Only spend what will be difficult but not impossible to do without. 
just in normal day to day traffic. Their car gives them a sense of invincibility. Imagine what taking along a firearm will do for them. Stay home, locked down when panic starts. Before it starts, buy low cost heavy items now. What you can afford. Don’t be a panic prepper, be a prudent insurance purchaser.
